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Why I am no longer a Christian

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This is a continuation of a thread that an admin wanted moved. I do not have enough posts to be able to post to the original thread.


Right. You either believe or don't. I don't. I wanted to and tried to. True, belief in God is independent of the churches. But the church's actions were the last straw on the camel's back that was my willingness to believe.
 

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Unfortunately, because you didn't reproduce your original post explaining your reasons for abandoning Christianity, we don't now know how to respond except to say that if you aren't a believer, you obviously aren't going to be a churchgoer.
 
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Human institutions are indeed fallible. Some Episcopal ministers even recommended excommunication for her. I doubt it will happen though. Why? Political correctness.

Do I believe she an atheist or apostate? I don't know.
 
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Unfortunately, because you didn't reproduce your original post explaining your reasons for abandoning Christianity, we don't now know how to respond except to say that if you aren't a believer, you obviously aren't going to be a churchgoer.


Above is the original post I made.
 
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Thanks 7spiritfilled. I've been listening to afa.net. This is similar to what attracted me to the last church I joined, a real seriousness to the scripture. I'm going to keep listening.
 
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Above is the original post I made.

Thanks, Martin.

I'm having some trouble with my computer, losing copy, etc. so I'll be brief.

As I read your comments, I have some definite feelings. Basically, I think you are not really an atheist, but you are questioning the meaning of all of this. But doubt and searching are not banished when one becomes a Christian; that's a part of your spiritual development. And as for the churches and clergy who have gone astray, you are right. And I agree with you. So do millions of Christians who daily are leaving these denominations in steady streams. The difference is that you despaired--which I understand--while they determined to not be defeated by such churches and clergy, and so found the many churches that still hold to the historic faith. They are there and growing, while the old ones you feel are selling out to the world and political correctness are dying. The church has gone through these cycles many times before and this will not be the last.

Finally, I don't believe you can conclude that you are not among the saved. Even the Elect have trials, and it's where they wind up in the end that makes them the Elect. Remember Martin Luther who went through a "Dark Night of the Soul" in such despair and loneliness that he said he actually had come to hate God...and God responded by making him what scholars have called the most influential figure in a thousand years of Church history and the man who launched, against all his intentions, the the greatest revival in the whole history of the Church.
 
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Human institutions are indeed fallible. Some Episcopal ministers even recommended excommunication for her. I doubt it will happen though. Why? Political correctness.

No mainline churches excommunicate people for a bad sermon. It just isn't going to happen.

I don't expect churches to mirror my political whims anymore than I expect God to agree with my opinions. My job is conforming my will and opinions to His will. If you think that is taking your opinions lightly, I would argue you are taking God's objectivity lightly. God simply doesn't exist to uphold our agendas. You need to figure out whether you are going to believe in Jesus Christ first, everything else is idolatry.
 
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Thanks 7spiritfilled. I've been listening to afa.net. This is similar to what attracted me to the last church I joined, a real seriousness to the scripture. I'm going to keep listening.

Oh, thank God. I was praying for you. There are many sermons on Sunday. During the week, they will speak of news of the day{ the truth] and all the battles that we are in. They will have great speakers also. The scripture came to me that I want to share with you. It is about Elijah,It is in 1 Kings 19:14-So he said," I have been very zealous for the Lord God of hosts, because the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down your altars, and killed you prophets with the sword and I alone am left, and they seek to take my life. What is the Divine response, "18- " yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him. So see Martin, there are many warriors for the faith who have not bowed the knee to the evils of this world and all its trappings. The devil wants you to believe that you are alone. I admire your concern. I am a great warrior for the faith. I may not have all the answers. I do know my God. I know of His faithfulness. I know we are in a spiritual battle and I also know the end of the story. We must put on the whole armor of God. Some day, I will tell you my story. It has been and it continues to be the best journey. My faith just gets stronger and more bolder each and every day. The way I found AFR, is my husband and I was sitting at the doctors office about 3 years ago and we were talking to a person who was in the waiting room. We were talking about politics and how bad the world was getting. I said to the man, we feel like we have no voice. That was when he told me about AFR. This was an answer from God Himself. How awesome when God reads your heart and causes you to sit next to a person at the right time and the right place. As soon as I got home I tuned it in. I have listened to it ever since from 6am -6pm. God bless you my bother.
 
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I never looked into Martin Luther's story. That would be a good thing to do.
 
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I agree with you 100%.
 
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Thank you.
 
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Read the Bible a few more times. And some history books too. Both writings agree, the temple priests, Israelite kings, and Jews of the old testament, as well as Christian churches post new testament have spent more time in corruption than they have in being pure and holy.

But miraculously the scriptures have stood the test of time despite some who possessed the documents.

My point: Don't get frustrated with the organization that has ups and downs throughout history, but step up to the plate and lead by example.
 
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Hi Martin,

No amount of Church going, praying, bible study, fellowshp, missions or clean living can ever be a substitute for the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit in a person's life. At the end of the day some people will always disappoint and let you down, many Churches fluctuate in their vision, purpose and passion and blow hot and cold, your own weaknesses and sinfulness will eat away at so-called faith or belief.

My experience is that the only true anchor we have in this life is G-d Himself, and He has promised to be with us and remain with us through everything...by the indwelling of His Spirit...(read John chapters 14-16). If I had never experienced a mighty revelation of G-d as described in Acts 2, then when things got hard or I failed to live up to things, or people let me down, I might be in the same position....BUT....because I know G-d through and through, even at my lowest point (and there have been several) I know that He is, as much as I know I exist, and it would be an impossibility to deny Him...and I have always built upon the fact that He loves me, that He died for me and that He has a purpose and a plan.

My point is that once a person truly knows G-d, He can never truthfully deny Him, because the Holy Spirit flows through your being like blood through your veins.

King David puts it very well in Psalm 139:7.

Best Regards. Zeek.
 
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Very good Zeek, Of course all those good works is the outward sign of the indwelling Holy Spirit but we must remember that it is not us but to Him gets all the glory for that transformation. When we get down and we see that evil seems to be winning, as this is the greatest of deceptions, I think Psalm 73-2-3 "but as for me my feet has almost stumbled. My steps have nearly slipped. For I was envious of the boastful, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked. 25-" Whom have I in heaven but You? And there is none upon earth who I desire but You. My flesh and my heart fail but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. For indeed those who are far from You shall perish; You have destroyed all those who desert you for harlotry 28- but it is good for me to draw near to God. I have put my trust in the Lord God. That I may declare all Your works. All praise to the Lord of glory, Amen
 
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Dude. Just believe in God.

Forget separate religions.

God is what is most important.

Most people who are non-believers once where a believer and they got to where they are for likely very good reasons.

Just telling someone "to believe" because it is the right thing to do just doesn't cut it. Speaking for myself, the christian story simply became "unbelievable" to me and I couldn't reconcile it any longer and convince myself that it was true.

Non-believers usually get to where they are with much thought and often times (at least in my case) a thorough objective review of the bible, the world we live in and trying to make sense of it all.
 
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