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Good Day, AbbaAbba said:Hello. I was just wondering why Baptists use grape juice for their communion services. Now I do not want to get into a debate about the Real Prescence, but I do want to know why Baptists feel like they can edit a sign of the covenant like that. Remeber, Jesus said, "This is the new covenant in my blood." Why then do you use grape juice?
Without getting into the "ordinance" and who it was actually to,,, I'll just say I can remember with apple juice.Abba said:Hello. I was just wondering why Baptists use grape juice for their communion services. Now I do not want to get into a debate about the Real Prescence, but I do want to know why Baptists feel like they can edit a sign of the covenant like that. Remeber, Jesus said, "This is the new covenant in my blood." Why then do you use grape juice?
Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me."
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.
Baptists aren't the only ones who use grape juice. Our church also does, as does I think many non-Catolic denominations.Abba said:Hello. I was just wondering why Baptists use grape juice for their communion services. Now I do not want to get into a debate about the Real Prescence, but I do want to know why Baptists feel like they can edit a sign of the covenant like that. Remeber, Jesus said, "This is the new covenant in my blood." Why then do you use grape juice?
Abba said:Thats interesting. Where did you get this info? Sources please. In the bible it says "wine". What more info do you need?
Are you suggesting that in Jesus' time alcoholic beverages werent yet discovered?
Good Day, AbbaAbba said:Luke 22.19-20:
Just as the OT lambs were slaughtered as a way of renewing the covenant made with Moses on Mt Sinai, Christ was was slaughtered, but the difference is that he was slaughtered only once. And just as the Israelites ate the passover lamb to consummate the covenant, we Catholics eat the new lamb in the Mass.
Luke (NIV)17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. 21But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him." 23They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
Luke (AMP)17And He took a cup, and when He had given thanks, He said, Take this and divide and distribute it among yourselves;
18For I say to you that from now on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine at all until the kingdom of God comes.
19Then He took a loaf [of bread], and when He had given thanks, He broke [it] and gave it to them saying, This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.
We don't know it's wine in the cup.. we know it's a drink made w/ grapes, we can presume that since wine was used at celebrations it is possible it could be wine. I think that the importance of the act isn't what we are drinking but what it symbolizes and that we remember it. To be as biblical as possible I believe we should use a drink a drink made from the "fruit of the vine" which is grapes (fermented or not).Luke (NKJV)17Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18for I say to you,[2] I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
19And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
Abba said:Hello. I was just wondering why Baptists use grape juice for their communion services. Now I do not want to get into a debate about the Real Prescence, but I do want to know why Baptists feel like they can edit a sign of the covenant like that. Remeber, Jesus said, "This is the new covenant in my blood." Why then do you use grape juice?
Crystal71503 said:i thought our church just used grape juice bc all the baptists down here think that alcohol is wrong. im learning a lot in reading this thread
I think the one thing that can be understood from John the Baptist, wine is not necessary to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Lu 1:15I've got a stupid question for ya...how do you know it was wine that was in the cup? Where exactly in the text do you see where it says wine was in the cup? I think I'm missing that verse. How do we know it wasn't filled with water?
eldermike said:I think the one thing that can be understood from John the Baptist, wine is not necessary to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Lu 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
I don't see an association with wine and communion. In fact it's wrong to even use grape juice, as if grape juice is between you and God's presence in your life, that's silly. I would say that if grape juice is somehow important to your walk with God, give that up also.
Being with God is God living in us. To remember the cross is the reason we have communion. One must bring the Holy Spirit to the table, He's not at the table, He's in you.
Mike
Andyman_1970 said:You could start here: http://www.christianforums.com/t724911
You might post the same question over on the MJ board, those folks have a wealth of information on Hebrew practices and customs.
eldermike said:I don't see an association with wine and communion. In fact it's wrong to even use grape juice, as if grape juice is between you and God's presence in your life, that's silly. I would say that if grape juice is somehow important to your walk with God, give that up also.
Crazy Liz said:I just looked at that thread, and it is about whether one may use grape juice at a Passover seder. It does not mention communion at all.
Andyman_1970 said:Isnt' the Passover meal what Jesus and the Disciples were doing the Last Supper, where we get our communion from?
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