Why gospel than direct sacrifice ?!

[paraklettos]

I knew that Jesus had came and one of his purposes is the sacrifice so that the sin will be cleaned, so why they didn't kill Jesus directly to make directly sacrifice, why we have a journy through gospels and have story and at the end they kill Jesus ?!

 

[bling]

I knew that Jesus had came and one of his purposes is the sacrifice so that the sin will be cleaned, so why they didn't kill Jesus directly to make directly sacrifice, why we have a journy through gospels and have story and at the end they kill Jesus ?!

Christ going to the cross was not the only objective Christ was trying to complete while here on earth.

Christ had to show: “If deity lives unquenched inside a human that human will not sin”. That means if we obtain the indwelling Holy Spirit and do not quench that Spirit we will not sin, but that means we still have free will and can exercise our will to quench the Spirit and sin.

Another objective of Christ was to show God in human form to help us truly understand Deity’s Love, how God really is.

The last objective to his three year ministry was to show how Deity trains disciples. This is the method we are to use (but Western nations do not seem to be using [it does seem to be happening in Communist china right now]) in getting the Gospel out to the entire world in the shortest amount of time. Following Christ’s lead and example we are to allow Christ to live in and through us to spend lots of time mentoring (allowing Christ to mentor) with just a few close disciples. They are to become like the leader who is really Christ living through a human so they can go forth with a small group.

 

[ebia]

I knew that Jesus had came and one of his purposes is the sacrifice so that the sin will be cleaned, so why they didn't kill Jesus directly to make directly sacrifice, why we have a journy through gospels and have story and at the end they kill Jesus ?!

Because sacrifice is just one model for understanding on bit of the story.

The Gospels are the announcement of Jesus as god becoming king, to put the world to rights.

 

[oi_antz]

I knew that Jesus had came and one of his purposes is the sacrifice so that the sin will be cleaned, so why they didn't kill Jesus directly to make directly sacrifice, why we have a journy through gospels and have story and at the end they kill Jesus ?!

If I understand your question, it is about the structure of the gospels being somewhat chronological insofar as it begins with the start and ends with the end, and explains what happened between. If that is correct, then I think your question is about why Jesus' crucifixion is not stated at the start of any of the gospels. If that is the question then I think the answer is that it is not necessary. There is not a single person who will pick up a bible and read it without first knowing that Jesus had been crucified. Even if that does become the case in some very extreme circumstance, it is not the situation that was real to the authors of the gospels. At the time that the gospels were recorded, the news of Jesus was so big that the authors were intending to address an audience who wanted to know the specifics of a story they had heard about.

So the gospels are not written for the purpose of telling a story, but for the purpose of making a statement for a record of events. As such, you will see in the gospels that most of the statements are factual in nature (I do not mean to say true instead of false when I say this), while the proportion of opinion, philosophy and conclusion is much less than say the writings of St Paul to the early churches.

The book of Acts is also written in the same fashion as the gospels for the same purpose: to be a record of events.

 

[paraklettos]

Christ going to the cross was not the only objective Christ was trying to complete while here on earth.

Christ had to show: “If deity lives unquenched inside a human that human will not sin”. That means if we obtain the indwelling Holy Spirit and do not quench that Spirit we will not sin, but that means we still have free will and can exercise our will to quench the Spirit and sin.

Another objective of Christ was to show God in human form to help us truly understand Deity’s Love, how God really is.

The last objective to his three year ministry was to show how Deity trains disciples. This is the method we are to use (but Western nations do not seem to be using [it does seem to be happening in Communist china right now]) in getting the Gospel out to the entire world in the shortest amount of time. Following Christ’s lead and example we are to allow Christ to live in and through us to spend lots of time mentoring (allowing Christ to mentor) with just a few close disciples. They are to become like the leader who is really Christ living through a human so they can go forth with a small group.

Muslims and devil's gospel followers will not ask why we have story and actions inside gospel because they beleive in what we can call the sex corners of faith, one of that corners is to believe in God books that you know about or those you have no idea about and gospel is one of books of God, so it's normal thing that you found them will not ask why we have story, It's a book of God, but muslims will talk about the bible copy, is it the one of God or it had been changed and there's another correct copy than it.

Christ had to show: “If deity lives unquenched inside a human that human will not sin”. it's good point but doesn't satisfy me yet, we can say that from the christianity side the gospels had been written with this way that some strange than many books because they don't use the same vision of the six corners of faith but we talk about that God him self will come to earth.

But there's a point we can understand, we have a story that has a limit because the humanity of jesus, humanity has limit but the value of that story has no limit because the deity of jesus, the deity has no limit.

 

[paraklettos]

But can we say also that we have story because the humanity of people understand indirect sacrifice and an acting of story than direct sacrifice.

 

[paraklettos]

Because sacrifice is just one model for understanding on bit of the story.

The Gospels are the announcement of Jesus as god becoming king, to put the world to rights.

Good point too.

 

[paraklettos]

If I understand your question, it is about the structure of the gospels being somewhat chronological insofar as it begins with the start and ends with the end, and explains what happened between. If that is correct, then I think your question is about why Jesus' crucifixion is not stated at the start of any of the gospels. If that is the question then I think the answer is that it is not necessary. There is not a single person who will pick up a bible and read it without first knowing that Jesus had been crucified. Even if that does become the case in some very extreme circumstance, it is not the situation that was real to the authors of the gospels. At the time that the gospels were recorded, the news of Jesus was so big that the authors were intending to address an audience who wanted to know the specifics of a story they had heard about.

So the gospels are not written for the purpose of telling a story, but for the purpose of making a statement for a record of events. As such, you will see in the gospels that most of the statements are factual in nature (I do not mean to say true instead of false when I say this), while the proportion of opinion, philosophy and conclusion is much less than say the writings of St Paul to the early churches.

The book of Acts is also written in the same fashion as the gospels for the same purpose: to be a record of events.

"So the gospels are not written for the purpose of telling a story, but for the purpose of making a statement for a record of events."

I understand you, it's nice explanation, story can record events but in the form of story, this is not the problem, why we have events if God has the absolute power to do what he want in one action not in many events that make a book like gosples.

 

[oi_antz]

"So the gospels are not written for the purpose of telling a story, but for the purpose of making a statement for a record of events."

I understand you, it's nice explanation, story can record events but in the form of story, this is not the problem, why we have events if God has the absolute power to do what he want in one action not in many events that make a book like gosples.

This is a question I think that I don't understand. The bible is not a divine statement from God like you seem accustomed to think the Koran is. Instead the authors of the gospels are men who wrote some things that they seem to have thought were important. I do not know why they would choose to not write more, there could be many reasons. Perhaps paper was scarce, perhaps time was scarce, perhaps they could not be sure of the reliability of other claims, perhaps they thought the reader would be unnecessarily laboured by it. Whatever the reasons are, you need to accept that those men made that decision and it was not God's decision to include or omit information. (I do believe He could have been ensuring their thoughts were consistent with His objectives, but ultimately the human authors will confess that they chose to write the words they wrote).

So your question about why we have a record of event is essentially because humans witness things as events, they identify them that way and explain them that way. I do believe I have not answered your question though ad I think I did not properly understand it. The reason for this is that I do not know what you have in mind when you said God has absolute power to do anything in one action. If you explain what you mean then I think I will probably be able to explain that I understand it, but let us see if that is correct

 

[Mediaeval]

Christ's sacrifice was not limited to His crucifixion.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I knew that Jesus had came and one of his purposes is the sacrifice so that the sin will be cleaned, so why they didn't kill Jesus directly to make directly sacrifice, why we have a journy through gospels and have story and at the end they kill Jesus ?!

Up until Jesus came , the accepted method for trying to be reconciled to God was by animal sacrifices and a yearly trip to the Temple by the Head Priest to make atonement for the sins of the Nation. All of this was the precursor of Christ the Messiah coming on the scene which many Old Testament Prophecies predicted with incredible accuracy. When Jesus came, it was to make a new Covenant with the very blood sacrifice of Jesus the Son of God to permanently remove sins ; and it was based on what HE did in totality that can only be received by our simple trust in what he accomplished on our behalf.

Before in OT times, it was a mechanical never ending form of religiousity whereas when Jesus came and die, it was all based on HIS atoning merits and a final permenant kind of sacrifice.

To be saved , all we need do is humbly and genuinely accept the finished work of Christ on the cross which is Gods global plan of salvation for all of mankind. It is made very easy for us to accept because Jesus did all the work . It is found in Romans 10:8-13 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 10:8-13) and IF done very sincerely, then the Person will want to give up any and all lifestyle sins that are current and to have his life set aside for service to God and Others. ANd to help you achieve the latter, God promises to reside in you to change you from within. The best part is whats to come : A guaranteed place in Heaven when you pass from this life and its all because God loved you so much to send his Son Jesus for you and Me.

Have you reached this point in your life yet (to become a Christian so its safe if you were to die ) ? I hope you are ready because youll experience what your lifes purpose, meaning and fulfillment was meant to be. The decision is completely up to you however. David.

 

[Emmy]

Dear paraklettos. Yes, Jesus died that we might live, but Jesus did much more for us, Jesus told us what God really wants from us.
In Matthew 22: 35-40: God is Love and God wants Loving sons and daughters. Jesus told us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. The second is like it: Love our neighbour as we love ourselves. Here is what we have to do:
"Ask and ye shall receive," we ask God for Love and Joy, then thank God,
and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour." ( Matthew 7: 7-10
Our neighbour is all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends. We keep asking God for Love and Joy, then we share all Love and Joy with our
neighbour. God will see our loving efforts, and God will approve and Bless us.
The Bible tells us to: " Repent and to be Born Again." We have to give up all our selfish wishes and wants, and start loving and caring for our neighbour.
Love is very catching, and we will find that soon we are changing into the
sons and daughters, which God wants us to be. Love is a Christian`s strong
weapon, with love we can overcome all angry and loveless behaviour.
We might stumble and forget often, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on loving and caring.
God wants our Love freely given, and NO conditions tagged on, Love for God our Heavenly Father, and love for our neighbour AS WE LOVE OURSELVES.
I say this with love, paraklettos. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[oi_antz]

OP, I had a thought that perhaps you are wondering why Jesus had to live, preach and do all the things He did before He was crucified. This is different to what I have been understanding your question to be, which is about the style of the writing of the gospels. Can you please confirm to me which question you really are asking? Are you asking why Jesus went around and did what He did before being crucified, or are you asking why the recording of those events does not begin by making the statement and then explaining it?

If you really are asking why it took so long for Jesus to go to the cross, I have some thoughts about that for you already.

John 15:22-25
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

In reading this statement that Jesus made, you can see that God does not actually condemn a person. The person always condemns themself, and always needs someone else to forgive them. In Jesus having lived, preached, loved, and sacrificed, He demonstrated that their actions were not justified and were in fact sin. Look to Judas who betrayed Jesus for an example of that. Until he saw the reality of what he had done, he did not seem worried about doing it (remember what his response was to Jesus' accusation at the table of the last supper). As soon as Jesus was condemned, he regretted it. Nothing changed about what he did before and after he did it. The only thing that changed is that he had to accept what he had done. He could no longer deny his sin, because it had become an actual event in history.

In the same way, we can now look back on history and see that what they did to Jesus was not the right thing to do. We can see that God did in fact fulfill Jesus' prediction in Matthew 21:33-34. The wicked farmers were put to a terrible end, and the kingdom of God was leased to a new nation, who has produced the proper fruit. The proper fruit is a true, living faith with God instead of meaningless rituals to keep up appearances and to avoid the fear of social condemnation. (see Matthew 12:1-8 for an example).

 

[faroukfarouk]

Romans chapters 9 and 10 say:

'Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many.' 'For by one offering He has perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

 

[bling]

Muslims and devil's gospel followers will not ask why we have story and actions inside gospel because they beleive in what we can call the sex corners of faith, one of that corners is to believe in God books that you know about or those you have no idea about and gospel is one of books of God, so it's normal thing that you found them will not ask why we have story, It's a book of God, but muslims will talk about the bible copy, is it the one of God or it had been changed and there's another correct copy than it.

Christ had to show: “If deity lives unquenched inside a human that human will not sin”. it's good point but doesn't satisfy me yet, we can say that from the christianity side the gospels had been written with this way that some strange than many books because they don't use the same vision of the six corners of faith but we talk about that God him self will come to earth.

But there's a point we can understand, we have a story that has a limit because the humanity of jesus, humanity has limit but the value of that story has no limit because the deity of jesus, the deity has no limit.

Not sure what you are asking here?

The only “faith” we need is the one all mature adults have been given. The problem is directing that faith (trust might be a better word) away from self and toward the creator for help.

Faith in a benevolent Creator is something the lowliest mature adult on earth can do (in some ways it is easier for a lowly person to do). That means it is a humiliating activity to not trust yourself and depend on a benevolent Creator and that little humility is all that is needed to accept God’s charity (help/forgiveness/mercy/grace/Love).

 

[oi_antz]

Removed: posted in the wrong thread, sorry.