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They are religious nutballs. They seem hellbent on destroying kids and faith.They teach the theory of evolution just like they teach every other theory, such as the germ theory of disease, the theory of atoms, the theory of gravity, quantum theory, etc.
Nah. Even if a fossil was evolved somewhat from the kind of creature that was created, you would not be equipped to know it!You are aware that we have transitional fossils, correct?
Yes but that is why its called a theory because its hasn't been proven 100% correct. But what ends up happening is they talk about it as 100% correct and then go into all these nice little pictures and stories that are not based on fact.They teach the theory of evolution just like they teach every other theory, such as the germ theory of disease, the theory of atoms, the theory of gravity, quantum theory, etc.
I'm not proposing any others. I am saying they should be qualifying what they say by letting people know that it isn't 100% correct and that there are many anomalies.What other scientific alternatives are you proposing? Do you have the scientific research and consensus to back it up?
Those are up for debate. Many that they had claimed in the past are just variations within a species or kind. Some were shown to not be linked to the animals they said through genetics. Even the ape man links are up for debate as many were evolutionists trying to make apes more human and humans more ape like. HGT has been shown to possibly account for some of the so called transitions through either cross breeding or virus. The tree of life which linked all the animals that Darwin and other evolutionists have made is being dismantled year after year through genetics and other discoveries.You are aware that we have transitional fossils, correct?
Yes but that is why its called a theory because its hasn't been proven 100% correct.
Yes but that is why its called a theory because its hasn't been proven 100% correct. But what ends up happening is they talk about it as 100% correct and then go into all these nice little pictures and stories that are not based on fact.
I'm not proposing any others. I am saying they should be qualifying what they say by letting people know that it isn't 100% correct and that there are many anomalies.
Those are up for debate. Many that they had claimed in the past are just variations within a species or kind. Some were shown to not be linked to the animals they said through genetics. Even the ape man links are up for debate as many were evolutionists trying to make apes more human and humans more ape like. HGT has been shown to possibly account for some of the so called transitions through either cross breeding or virus. The tree of life which linked all the animals that Darwin and other evolutionists have made is being dismantled year after year through genetics and other discoveries.
If you take Pakicetus which is suppose to be a transition of whales. They focus on a couple of similarities to link it to the whale yet dont mention the many dissimilar connections which link it to other animals. Sometimes it's a matter of interpretation and sometimes scientists are in dispute about what the connections represent. Esp with say apes and things like hip and pelvis bones for determining whether they may walk upright or not. Sometimes there is only fragments of bones and they can make something out of it that may not be the case. Remember that variation is also something that looks like transition but they havnt got the genetic information to be 100% sure that its a different creature and thus makes another species. Also the interpretation of species is something that many have different views on. When they say there are 100 different species of bats for example they are still all bats.
But if you want you can show me some transitions which you think have any evidence for being true.
Speaking of that, has it been 100% proven that the earth is the third planet from the sun?NOTHING in science is EVER "proven 100% correct".....! The very purpose of scientific enquiry is to continually increase and improve our understandings. The door is ALWAYS left open for the introduction of new knowledge...
Have you been living under a rock, not to know this simple concept...??
We know that, its just that some say its 100% true and a fact which is taking it to the next level. Plus the observational side to it is becoming less reliable. In the past it was used and evolutionists made a lot of assumptions based on that. Some of those are being proven wrong through new discoveries and genetics. The testing side is also coming under some scrutiny with new discoveries through genetics ie the tree of life that many evolutionist made is being shown to be wrong. Plus I dont think they have proven evolution through any tests or experiments. As far as I know they have never observed macro evolution happening but only variations with the same kind of creatures or micro organisms.
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
We know that, its just that some say its 100% true and a fact which is taking it to the next level. Plus the observational side to it is becoming less reliable. In the past it was used and evolutionists made a lot of assumptions based on that. Some of those are being proven wrong through new discoveries and genetics. The testing side is also coming under some scrutiny with new discoveries through genetics ie the tree of life that many evolutionist made is being shown to be wrong. Plus I dont think they have proven evolution through any tests or experiments. As far as I know they have never observed macro evolution happening but only variations with the same kind of creatures or micro organisms.
So it's a hypothesis? theory? what?No....
QV please:Scientific theory....
All of the data that we have at hand indicates that the Earth is the 3rd planet, but the Earth being the 3rd planet is not a fact, it is a hypothesis. That hypothesis might be 99.99999% correct (again with the data we have today), but there is a 0.0000001% chance that it is wrong.
Oh good grief.....it's worse than I thought...!
NOTHING in science is EVER "proven 100% correct".....! The very purpose of scientific enquiry is to continually increase and improve our understandings. The door is ALWAYS left open for the introduction of new knowledge...
Here comes the ridicule again. See that is your problem you have selective reading just like selective hearing. You only choose to see certain words and it sets off alarm bells in your head and so you react. If you read what I said slowly and properly you will see I have said that some say that evolution is a fact and 100% true. Not me and I know what a theory is.Have you been living under a rock, not to know this simple concept...??
That is not how it always works. They can come to a conclusion about something and teach that as true without qualifying that it is not fully proven at that stage. Just like Archaeopteryx was paraded as the great transition for birds for years. Then when doubt was cast on it even being a bird many didn't let go because it was held in such high regard as the great transition.Again, detecting "anomalies" is what science is about....if an anomaly is discovered, further research is conducted. If it is found that the anomaly is supported by evidence, then it may lead to the theory being modified or even discarded...
Well tell that to the great guru Richard Dawkins who says its fact and proven beyond any doubt. As true as the holocaust happened.Mate, this is Scientific Method 101...........where did you go to school...?
Now, here again is where you are required to present some EVIDENCE to back up your wild claims...
Mmmm I'm not sure I want to get into any debate or in your case what ends up an argument with no rational direction.Where is it....?
You dont seem to understand what my point is again which relates back to what I was saying with how they teach evolution. Its not so much the science itself but the humans behind it that then turn it into being fully proven to themselves. They will even go to the point of treating it like a religion themselves and believe in some of the aspects of the theory as being fully fact. They will have a faith about what they thing is true even if there maybe some evidence against it. Just like many say religious people are about their beliefs.There you go with the 100% again...! The vast bulk of evidence that has been gathered through the fossil record, through microbiology, through examination of the genome, through geographical distribution of species, through anatomical structures, etc, etc, etc, ALL point to the best available explanation of descent with modification...
I am not a geneticist so I would have to research this up which would take me a while.Answer this one......why do the ERV insertion loci in humans match those of other primates so exactly...?
Here comes the ridicule again. See that is your problem you have selective reading just like selective hearing. You only choose to see certain words and it sets off alarm bells in your head and so you react. If you read what I said slowly and properly you will see I have said that some say that evolution is a fact and 100% true. Not me and I know what a theory is.
Anyway here is what I am talking about. This is a quote from Richard Dawkins one of the worlds most famous evolutionists.
Evolution is a fact. Beyond reasonable doubt, beyond serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt evolution is a fact. The evidence for evolution is at least as strong as the evidence for the Holocaust, even allowing for eye witnesses to the Holocaust. - See more at: Dawkins: The Greatest Show on Earth
That is not how it always works. They can come to a conclusion about something and teach that as true with qualifying that it is not fully proven at that stage. Just like Archaeopteryx was paraded as the great transition for birds for years. Then when doubt was cast on it even being a bird many didn't let go because it was held in such high regard as the great transition.
Well tell that to the great guru Richard Dawkins who says its fact and proven beyond any doubt. As true as the holocaust happened.
Mmmm I'm not sure I want to get into any debate or in your case what ends up an argument with no rational direction.
You dont seem to understand what my point is again which relates back to what I was saying with how they teach evolution. Its not so much the science itself but the humans behind it that then turn it into being fully proven to themselves. They will even go to the point of treating it like a religion themselves and believe in some of the aspects of the theory as being fully fact. They will have a faith about what they thing is true even if there maybe some evidence against it. Just like many say religious people are about their beliefs.
I am not a geneticist so I would have to research this up which would take me a while.
QV please:
Such as CabVet?However, I'm not a cosmologist, I'm not a scientist of any category (unless 'mathematician' qualifies...) so I'm happy for someone more closely versed in the field to correct me...
Evolution, unless we are talking changes to kinds, is a lie. Get that right. Again, evolution is a stinking godless lie.Steve....evolution IS A FACT....
Again....? Evolution IS A FACT.......got that...?
Then that is precious little and of no real impact on the origins issues. Whoopee do, some evolving and adapting happens, and did happen rapidly in the former state.We can observe the mutations that occur in populations. We can measure the rate at which those mutations persist, or are discarded over time from the genome.....these things can be measured....they are FACTS...!
THAT's evolution.....!
A generally accepted description of what is considered to be fact in scienceAnyway here is what I am talking about. Evolution is a fact. Beyond reasonable doubt, beyond serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt evolution is a fact. The evidence for evolution is at least as strong as the evidence for the Holocaust, even allowing for eye witnesses to the Holocaust. - See more at: Dawkins: The Greatest Show on Earth
So in terms of what Dawkins is saying, he is accurate at least as far as science is concerned.In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent. I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. Stephen Jay Gould
It depends what you mean by evolution. As far as I understand it they have only observed organisms changing within their own kind and not turning into something else. A creature has a great ability to change and vary but as far as it growing wings or a dog like creature turning into a whale I am not sure that has been proven. So we can say evolution can happen up to a certain point but then there are limitations and boundaries where it cant cross.Steve,
A generally accepted description of what is considered to be fact in science So in terms of what Dawkins is saying, he is accurate at least as far as science is concerned.
He is talking about the modern Theory of Evolution. The TOE is considered as probably the most understood and supported theory in science. We know more about evolution than we know about gravity for pete's sake.
So yes, it is possible that new animals could be observed suddenly appearing in the lab but that possibility does not merit equal time in biology classrooms.
Even with this level of support, there are some who will deny it but to use Dawkins example there are also those that deny the Holocaust.
So it is not incorrect to refer to evolution as a scientific fact as that is how it is currently seen.
We can see it in the lab and in nature. We can measure it and cause it to happen in experiments. What else is needed to see evolution as a fact?
Dizredux
It depends what you mean by evolution. As far as I understand it they have only observed organisms changing within their own kind and not turning into something else. A creature has a great ability to change and vary but as far as it growing wings or a dog like creature turning into a whale I am not sure that has been proven. So we can say evolution can happen up to a certain point but then there are limitations and boundaries where it cant cross.
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