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There was no dodge. If anyone is dodging it is you.
Did you or didn't you notice how the title said that it had nothing to do with evolution?
And since creationists mistakenly try to use the Bible in what is supposed to be a scientific debate I am force to show how even their Biblical claims are very often in error.
And no, it is not rude. If anyone is rude it is usually the creationists that are rude first. Sadly they do not know how they are being rude.
I see many attacks on atheism by creationists even though that has nothing to do with the debate. Is that or is that not rude? I see many creationists using various dishonest and even lying techniques. Is that not rude?
Making you uncomfortable in your beliefs is not rude when you put them out their first.
speaking against atheism on a christian forum is normal, speaking out against christianity on a christian forum is not. So again, why are you really here? I know it's not simply to talk about evolution. Why else are you here?
you are comparing a figure of speech in the Bible to a main point of Darwin, so much a point in fact, that he likened it to natural selection.
Grady responded withNatural selection is a scientific theory. How can bringing in Hitler discredit a scientific theory?
As additional information which is considerably much different from Spencer's ideas especially in that Spencer believed self improvement could be inherited as well as Darwin's ideas that all species were equally valuable.
You are working with a dog that don't hunt as we would say here in Texas.
Dizredux
Ref: Survival of the fittest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You left out something or just didn't read my post very well before responding which is a habit of yours.it was the use "survival of the fittest" that darwin himself popularized that became the pillar of social darwinism. Namely that the fittest survive. Secondly, Natural selection is not exactly survival of the fittest. _
Makes a difference doesn't it?Darwin first used Spencer's new phrase "survival of the fittest" alongside "natural selection" in the fifth edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1869, intending it to mean "better designed for an immediate, local environment".
Seriously a Christian forum should be mainly concerned with the behavior of ...... wait for it ..... Christians. Or was that too hard for you to understand?
Show us then, where the bible claims the sun goes round the earth.just wanted to point out that Social Darwinism is to modern evolutionary theory as geocentricity is to modern Biblical understanding -- that is, an outdated, nearly irrelevant misinterpretation.
that being said, your argument is just as much of a strawman as the argument that all of Christianity is flawed because the Bible says the sun goes round the earth.
--intigheten
Drivel. A science focused area of any forum such as this would be looking at scientific claims and issues. Doing so on a Christian forum, hopefully, would allow God in the discussion, unlike many biased and rabidly anti God atheist science forums.
I would certainly not think that this gives trolls license to insult and blaspheme Christ and His word, Scripture and Christians.
No. The God opposing filth that is the theory of evolution makes a cesspool smell better than roses. You can use any lame excuse you like not to back up your claims. If anyone still expects you to be able to do that, I suggest they may be newbies.Sorry, I was about to, but your later statement made me change my mind.
Apologize first and then I will define evolution.
Show us then, where the bible claims the sun goes round the earth.
As for Darwin's creation opposing lies, it is valid for posters to note that the source and spirit and inspiration behind this, is one and the same as other evil men through history such as Hitler.
No. The God opposing filth that is the theory of evolution makes a cesspool smell better than roses. You can use any lame excuse you like not to back up your claims. If anyone still expects you to be able to do that, I suggest they may be newbies.
Thank you. Reactions are good, whether they be rejection of Christ and His word, or embracing of Him.well, based on the rage and upset your posts kindle in my heart, i believe you are the Devil himself leading humankind astray with your poorly constructed posts and twisted logic, and you are merely claiming to have received such blessings from on high as part of your demonic trickery.
So? You have a limited knowledge and perspective. How would we know what the foundations of heaven and earth are, and how there could be some correlation twixt them?i can think of no other being in heaven, on earth, or in damnation that would genuinely and honestly argue that a sphere can have corners in any sense...
Horse manure. Show me where the bible says it don't just mouth off claims it does.Let's concentrate on the fact that the Bible says the Earth is flat. For now we will ignore the at least 5 times that the Bible says that the Earth does not move. Of course that is why Galileo got in so much trouble with Christianity.
You thought you were in a position to correct Christians as to what God really meant?? No. Hell no.There is on verse that many Christians mistakenly quote thinking that it refers to a spherical Earth when in reality it refers to a flat Earth.
Horse manure. Show me where the bible says it don't just mouth off claims it does.
You thought you were in a position to correct Christians as to what God really meant?? No. Hell no.
How can anyone tell the earth is round?
1 Chronicles 16:30: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.
Psalm 93:1: Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...
Psalm 96:10: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...
Psalm 104:5: Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.
Once again, not what God meant. The Bible was not written by God, even you have admitted that it was written by men and nowhere does it claim to be the inerrant word of God. That is an assumption you keep making but have been unable to defend.
No, you can't..ever for any reason. Get over it.And yes, I can correct Christians on it when they ignore what was written in their own holy book.
A simple reading in context shows that the time this happens is when God comes to judge the earth. Here is the verses right after..
31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth. 32 Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof: let the fields rejoice, and all that is therein. 33 Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the LORD, because he cometh to judge the earth.
Anyone that takes that to mean the earth is flat is in darkness.
Likewise, clearly this verse talks of the same time. Look at the start of the verse..
"The LORD reigneth"
This verse also..the very same time! Here is how it starts.
"Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth:"
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. God is moving to the earth..forever.
Isaiah 45:18: ...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...
whole verse.. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Nothing in there at all about a flat earth.
What nonsense.
2Ti 3:16 -All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
No, you can't..ever for any reason. Get over it.
Horse manure. Show me where the bible says it don't just mouth off claims it does.
You thought you were in a position to correct Christians as to what God really meant?? No. Hell no.
we all know it was borrowed. but like I stated a few times: darwin popularized it.Grady, you posted
Posted by Dizredux
Grady responded with You left out something or just didn't read my post very well before responding which is a habit of yours.
Here is what was in the post that you seemed to have missed,
Makes a difference doesn't it?
You are trying to blame Darwin for misuse of a phrase he borrowed from Spencer.
It was an interesting try but that old dog just ain't gonna hunt.
Dizredux
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