Why Evolution is True (2)

dad · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
I don't see how you ever came up with that.

You said this

"Stating that science does not lie and that "Christianity" is lying ..."

So whoever stated it was lying is stating Christ lied.

Actually it clearly does. In fact it does in both act and deed.

False and fraudulent.

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

intigheten said:
tell me again how a sphere has four corners, or even better, how determining which Biblical statements are metaphorical and which are literal as an ad hoc response to scientific discovery is a valid basis for a worldview?

That's easy. Anything in the Bible that dad agrees with is clearly literal. If he has trouble with it, such as the flat Earth claims they are merely poetic language.

Simple

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
You said this

Stating that science does not lie and that "Christianity" is lying
False and fraudulent.

Click to expand...

Your post is illegible. Quit foaming and try again.

dad · Aug 20, 2014

intigheten said:
tell me again how a sphere has four corners,

Easy. The four directions of east and north and south and west have been referred to as corners. Not only that but man doesn't know what is deep under the earth. There could be points in the foundation of the earth that correspond to four corners. Science hasn't been down there.

or even better, how determining which Biblical statements are metaphorical and which are literal as an ad hoc response to scientific discovery is a valid basis for a worldview?

Easy also, unless one receives God and His Spirit you can't. If we do we can.

dad · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
What are you talking about? What is there to define?

Define evolution.

I know that you still have no understanding of the theory you hate.

Avoiding a cesspool is not so much hating it, as loving fresh air.

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

Let's concentrate on the fact that the Bible says the Earth is flat. For now we will ignore the at least 5 times that the Bible says that the Earth does not move. Of course that is why Galileo got in so much trouble with Christianity.

There is on verse that many Christians mistakenly quote thinking that it refers to a spherical Earth when in reality it refers to a flat Earth. Not only in the King James version, but in the original too. Here is a clue, it is amazing how many Christians failed geometry.

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
Define evolution.

Avoiding a cesspool is not so much hating it, as loving fresh air.

Sorry, I was about to, but your later statement made me change my mind.

Apologize first and then I will define evolution.

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
Easy also, unless one receives God and His Spirit you can't. If we do we can.

See?

I was right. If dad likes it the verse is literal. If he scratches his head a few times it is poetic.

As dad said: Easy.

intigheten · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
Easy. The four directions of east and north and south and west have been referred to as corners. Not only that but man doesn't know what is deep under the earth. There could be points in the foundation of the earth that correspond to four corners. Science hasn't been down there.

Easy also, unless one receives God and His Spirit you can't. If we do we can.

well, based on the rage and upset your posts kindle in my heart, i believe you are the Devil himself leading humankind astray with your poorly constructed posts and twisted logic, and you are merely claiming to have received such blessings from on high as part of your demonic trickery. i can think of no other being in heaven, on earth, or in damnation that would genuinely and honestly argue that a sphere can have corners in any sense...

you see, i can make wild, unfalsifiable claims too. it's actually incredibly easy. maybe you should challenge yourself sometime. i'm sure i wouldn't be the only one to appreciate it.

--intigheten

createdtoworship · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
No, I am just here to correct errant views on evolution.

What are you doing here?

You are in no position to judge.

so you are here not to be open minded about christianity?

why go to a christian forum, why not go to a evolution only forum?

createdtoworship · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Wow! With all of the errors that creationists make debating against evolution and you can't see why a historian is not a valid source?

I will let you think it over again. It should be obvious even to you.

you made this statement:

"Historians cannot make valid claims about evolution"

so you must know every single historian in the world, and know for a fact that He knows nothing about evolution?

see how it is silly?

createdtoworship · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Historians cannot make valid claims about evolution. Odds are that he has no clue about how evolution works.

Your sources are extremely weak and do not convince anyone.

And I have not relied on negative statements. I gave evidence of Hitler's Christianity.

Besides this still has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You have been shown to be wrong at every level in this debate.

hey a new documentary is out, again evidence against your view:
The Biology of the Second Reich: Social Darwinism and the Origins of World War 1 - YouTube

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

gradyll said:
so you are here not to be open minded about christianity?

why go to a christian forum, why not go to a evolution only forum?

Sure I am open minded. All I ask for is evidence.

There is no debate at evolution forums. You do not understand the harm that creationists are trying to inflict on the U.S.. I am against child abuse, so I have to be against creationism.

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

gradyll said:
hey a new documentary is out, again evidence against your view:
The Biology of the Second Reich: Social Darwinism and the Origins of World War 1 - YouTube

Did you read the title of that? It openly admits it has nothing to do with evolution.

Or did you not learn your lesson with the example of Social Newtonianism, and yes it is real. Or did you ignore the link that I gave?

createdtoworship · Aug 20, 2014

subduction zone you forgot to reply to this one:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7834960-4/#post66191025

intigheten · Aug 20, 2014

gradyll said:
hey a new documentary is out, again evidence against your view: [snip]

just wanted to point out that Social Darwinism is to modern evolutionary theory as geocentricity is to modern Biblical understanding -- that is, an outdated, nearly irrelevant misinterpretation.

that being said, your argument is just as much of a strawman as the argument that all of Christianity is flawed because the Bible says the sun goes round the earth.

--intigheten

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

gradyll said:
subduction zone you forgot to reply to this one:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7834960-4/#post66191025

Wrong I did.

And by continuing to push this Social Darwinism you have lost.

That is all I will post now every time you post that idiocy.

createdtoworship · Aug 20, 2014

intigheten said:
just wanted to point out that Social Darwinism is to modern evolutionary theory as geocentricity is to modern Biblical understanding -- that is, an outdated, nearly irrelevant misinterpretation.

that being said, your argument is just as much of a strawman as the argument that all of Christianity is flawed because the Bible says the sun goes round the earth.

--intigheten

you are comparing a figure of speech in the Bible to a main point of Darwin, so much a point in fact, that he likened it to natural selection.

createdtoworship · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Did you read the title of that? It openly admits it has nothing to do with evolution.

Or did you not learn your lesson with the example of Social Newtonianism, and yes it is real. Or did you ignore the link that I gave?

I didn't post it for you, (knowing you would dodge as usual), but for others, namely the christians.

BTW if you are on a Christian forum, talking evolution.....why do you post stuff about your views on the Bible? Namely your lack of belief, when most of us here, DO believe? Isn't that rude?

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

gradyll said:
I didn't post it for you, (knowing you would dodge as usual), but for others, namely the christians.

BTW if you are on a Christian forum, talking evolution.....why do you post stuff about your views on the Bible? Namely your lack of belief, when most of us here, DO believe? Isn't that rude?

There was no dodge. If anyone is dodging it is you.

Did you or didn't you notice how the title said that it had nothing to do with evolution?

And since creationists mistakenly try to use the Bible in what is supposed to be a scientific debate I am force to show how even their Biblical claims are very often in error.

And no, it is not rude. If anyone is rude it is usually the creationists that are rude first. Sadly they do not know how they are being rude.

I see many attacks on atheism by creationists even though that has nothing to do with the debate. Is that or is that not rude? I see many creationists using various dishonest and even lying techniques. Is that not rude?

Making you uncomfortable in your beliefs is not rude when you put them out their first.

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