Why Evolution is True (2)

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

gradyll said:
darwin popularized "survival of the fittest" and this implies that the fittest survive, militaristically if needed. Hitler decided to war based on a world view created by Darwin. Racial eugenics (that people evolved), and other Darwinian views.

No, no, no. If an "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is misused does that make the Bible wrong?

It is wrong anyway, but not because people misuse it. His war had nothing to do with an views of Darwin. You might as well claim that he got his ideas from Christianity, in fact between quotes from Martin Luther and the Bible I could probably make a more convincing case than you could for the war being started from influences of Darwin. Please get your head out of the sand.

createdtoworship · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
gradyll, I am done with the derail for now. It has been shown to be nothing but a derail. And you have not really succeeded in proving your point. Which does not matter anyway.

please see my last post, besides last time you brought this up I provided solid links to documents proving the link between hitler and darwinism. But again, you don't reply to evidence you simply give one lined answers to negate any and everything, regardless of if you actually read it. It is obvious that you are here to recruit to your athiesm, not be open minded about Christianity. nothing that can be said here will change your mind about Christianity, so why are you here?

createdtoworship · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
No, no, no. If an "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is misused does that make the Bible wrong?

It is wrong anyway, but not because people misuse it. His war had nothing to do with an views of Darwin. You might as well claim that he got his ideas from Christianity, in fact between quotes from Martin Luther and the Bible I could probably make a more convincing case than you could for the war being started from influences of Darwin. Please get your head out of the sand.

it's not misused, it's outdated. Different things entirely. Eye for an eye was done away with the new covenant.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

gradyll said:
I never said they were scientific, I said they were historic. And put out by valid history departments in central valley, california. In fact if I didn't know better I would say that stan state is proud of Richard Weikart, not embarrased by his findings. So it is safe to say it is historic, seeing that I have a valid historian who agrees. You however rely solely on negative statements, avoiding positive so you have no burden of proof. You simply criticism and make a living at it. But we can all see that you don't put forth the effort on this forum. With simply one lined replies, with no citations, it's obvious you are just recruiting, and on a vendetta against Christianity.

Historians cannot make valid claims about evolution. Odds are that he has no clue about how evolution works.

Your sources are extremely weak and do not convince anyone.

And I have not relied on negative statements. I gave evidence of Hitler's Christianity.

Besides this still has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You have been shown to be wrong at every level in this debate.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

gradyll said:
please see my last post, besides last time you brought this up I provided solid links to documents proving the link between hitler and darwinism. But again, you don't reply to evidence you simply give one lined answers to negate any and everything, regardless of if you actually read it. It is obvious that you are here to recruit to your athiesm, not be open minded about Christianity. nothing that can be said here will change your mind about Christianity, so why are you here?

Please, Ninth Commandment warning.

You did no such thing.

Why do you keep repeating debunked statements?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

gradyll said:
it's not misused, it's outdated. Different things entirely. Eye for an eye was done away with the new covenant.

No, that is Deja Moo.

Show me where the New Covenant says that all Old Testament laws can be ignored. In fact Jesus said as long as the Earth and Heavens are here that none of the Old Testament laws shall pass.

justlookinla · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is Deja Moo.

Show me where the New Covenant says that all Old Testament laws can be ignored. In fact Jesus said as long as the Earth and Heavens are here that none of the Old Testament laws shall pass.

The Jesus you reject said that?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

justlookinla said:
The Jesus you reject said that?

Who said that I "reject Jesus". And you know that was a paraphrase. Or do you want to lose that argument again?

I do not believe the superstitious claims of the Bible, but that does not mean I reject Jesus.

justlookinla · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Who said that I "reject Jesus". And you know that was a paraphrase. Or do you want to lose that argument again?

I do not believe the superstitious claims of the Bible, but that does not mean I reject Jesus.

You accept Jesus?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

justlookinla said:
You accept Jesus?

It is hard to answer questions correctly that have loaded terminology.

Try again.

createdtoworship · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is Deja Moo.

Show me where the New Covenant says that all Old Testament laws can be ignored. In fact Jesus said as long as the Earth and Heavens are here that none of the Old Testament laws shall pass.

not ignored, but ammended:

here Christ overrides eye for an eye:

"Matthew 5:38-44 NKJV You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.[f] 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Love Your Enemies
43 You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor[g] and hate your enemy. 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,[
"

createdtoworship · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Please, Ninth Commandment warning.

You did no such thing.

Why do you keep repeating debunked statements?

no really why are you here?

whats you motive?

to recruit?

to make fun of Christianity?

if so this is an abuse of the forum

createdtoworship · Aug 19, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Historians cannot make valid claims about evolution. Odds are that he has no clue about how evolution works.

Your sources are extremely weak and do not convince anyone.

And I have not relied on negative statements. I gave evidence of Hitler's Christianity.

Besides this still has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You have been shown to be wrong at every level in this debate.

how can you prove such a statement, "historians cannot make valid claims about evolution"

I await your response.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

gradyll said:
no really why are you here?

whats you motive?

to recruit?

to make fun of Christianity?

if so this is an abuse of the forum

No, I am just here to correct errant views on evolution.

What are you doing here?

You are in no position to judge.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2014

gradyll said:
how can you prove such a statement, "historians cannot make valid claims about evolution"

I await your response.

Wow! With all of the errors that creationists make debating against evolution and you can't see why a historian is not a valid source?

I will let you think it over again. It should be obvious even to you.

dad · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Stating that science does not lie and that "Christianity" is lying in no way implies that Hitler was not a Christian.

You imply Christ lied?

You keep forgetting some of the grossest errors in the Bible. Let's forget the flood that never happened for now. How about the Bible saying the Earth is flat in word and deed?

The bible doesn't say the earth is flat, and those who claim it does are frauds. As for the flood, that is above your little godless belief system paygrade of knowledge.

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
You imply Christ lied?

I don't see how you ever came up with that.

The bible doesn't say the earth is flat, and those who claim it does are frauds. As for the flood, that is above your belief system paygrade of knowledge.

Actually it clearly does. In fact it does in both act and deed.

If it did it only once you might have an excuse, but it does it multiple times.

dad · Aug 20, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Wow! With all of the errors that creationists make debating against evolution...

You can't even define it! But we do know you believe you have shared parentage with the potato.

intigheten · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
The bible doesn't say the earth is flat, and those who claim it does are frauds.

tell me again how a sphere has four corners, or even better, how determining which Biblical statements are metaphorical and which are literal as an ad hoc response to scientific discovery is a valid basis for a worldview?

Subduction Zone · Aug 20, 2014

dad said:
You can't even define it! But we do know you believe you have shared parentage with the potato.

What are you talking about? What is there to define?

I know that you still have no understanding of the theory you hate.

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