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Why Everyone Needs An AR-15

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If I was faced with a gang of ANTIFA thugs; I'd pick her for my team, over the entire Uvalde Police force combined.
 
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I have collected brass and bullets for my favorite calibers for years and reload most of my ammo. My grandkids and I spend a lot of time on my shooting range with 22s and 17 HMR and SM, both in AR package.

What I have found is that kids who are taught about and experience safe firearm practice and the sanctity of life never grow up to use them for anything other than sport or self defense. I also know that criminals seldom target rural America because most of us are armed and they know it. Instead they find liberal areas where people are helpless and willfully ignorant about the basic fundamentals of self defense.

Great topic Hark
 
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I know a lot of veterans who love their high capacity magazines and don’t want them taken away.
So do I, but that doesn't mean the majority feel this way.

I don’t believe your article for a second because it doesn’t even remotely correlate to what I’ve actually witnessed with my own experiences with veterans on the subject.
I only quoted the findings of a study that was found in that article. The rest of the article's content is irrelevant. There are three veterans posting in this thread that I'm aware of, and while I can't speak for the other two, I am fairly confident that they, like myself, would have no problem with a ban on AR-15s and high-capacity magazines based on their past postings on this forum.

Data on firearm homicides is incomplete. Not all law enforcement agencies report data to the FBI, including some from major cities, and the type of firearm used is often not included. While handguns are undoubtedly the most often used, the number of rifles, including "assault style" weapons used is actually much higher than what you find in the FBI's statistics.



The use of "assault style" weapons in mass shootings is increasing compared to years past.

 
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So do I, but that doesn't mean the majority feel this way.
I'm so glad that I live in a Republic, where the masses brainwashed by propaganda can't overthrow the government.

BTW, I never did see your source that supports your bare assertion.
 
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Couldn't we expect the same for the rest of their statistics?

Couldn't we expect them to be proportional?
 
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A ban on the AR-15 rifle in itself would not bother me...if it stopped there.

But I know the intention is not to stop there.
 
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Why would you mind even go there? That speaks of a very strong prejudice on your part.

Yes, it probably does. The gun owner who keeps guns with the intent to use them on other human beings in everyday life is utterly baffling to me. Further, sometimes in these threads I sense a contempt for the value of human beings who aren't in one's family, as though they're less than human. That's why my mind went there.

But I will admit to the possibility of strong prejudice on this.
 
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BTW, I never did see your source that supports your bare assertion.
The findings indicate that veterans (and particularly combat veterans) are more supportive than nonveterans of expanding civilians' gun carrying rights. On the other hand, veterans with and without combat experience are more likely to favor banning AR15 and military-style rifles and high-capacity ammunition clips. Veterans are also more likely to favor a 14-day waiting period for all gun purchases, but they do not have unique positions on mental health screening for gun purchases.

 
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that was my point you are far more likely to be killed by a handgun than you are by an AR or any assault weapon. I was not trying to use real numbers only trying to show that in terms of just body count handguns take FAR more lives, and yet fairly few people are for banning them.
 
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A ban on the AR-15 rifle in itself would not bother me...if it stopped there.

But I know the intention is not to stop there.
that is my other issue.
 
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I've thought about this a lot. And considered the Scriptures to help me navigate through it. If someone came to my home to threaten my wife, kids or grandkids, I would protect them and myself with whatever defense mechanisms I had. (sword, handgun, AR, etc.)

If the Government sent officers to confiscate my tools of self-defense I wouldn't stand in their way. Nor would I fight against them. And if China conquered the USA, I would be carried away just as Jeremiah was to Babylon. Now I have come to believe I have already been carried away, and am in Babylon even now, planting Vinyards and such. So I don't expect such a thing to happen. Nevertheless, a person should consider carefully as he would not want to be fighting God Himself.
 
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It is not about just mass shootings. Do you want to save MORE lives or appear to be saaaving more lives? Also, very few gun deaths are the resault of true blue mass shootings.
 
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But I know the intention is not to stop there.
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.." —Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal"--Janet Reno


SARAH BRADY (Chairman, Handgun Control, Inc.) "There is no personal right to be armed for private purposes unrelated to the service in a well regulated militia." (Richmond Times-Dispatch, 6 June 97, pg. 6)

DIANE FEINSTEIN (California Senator, author of "Feinstein Amendment" which became the ’94 gun ban): "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them… ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it." (60 Minutes episode, CBS) [Sen Feinstein holds a CCP]
 
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The use of "assault style" weapons in mass shootings is increasing compared to years past.

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What the heck is an "Assault Weapon"?

In the United States, assault weapon is a controversial term applied to different kinds of firearms. There is no clear, consistent definition.


Well, isn't that convenient. An "Assault Weapon" means whatever someone wants it to mean.

Have fun debating that.
 
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I once had a guy tell me regarding this same issue, "Didn't Jesus say to turn the other cheek"? I guess if a criminal comes to my house to rape and kill one of my daughters, I'm obligated by Jesus to offer him the other daughter after he's done.

Somehow I don't believe that is what Jesus meant.
 
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Yes if they have the INTENT to use them on other human beings just because or to commit other crimes all I have to say is we live in a fallen world and people are crazy. On the other hand, if they only have the intent to use them on fellew humans as a matter of defense then that isaa not crazy at all. In fact, I have NO respect for people not willing to protect others and yes this includes violently if need be.

As for pigs yes there are places who have MAJOR issues with wild pigs doing things like destroying crops.
 
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Moving the goalposts? OK so by what ratios are veterans in favor of banning AR15s?

I heard that the military is no longer required to take an oath to defend the Constitution.

So glad, for my own well being, that we don't live in a Democracy.
 
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What the heck is an "Assault Weapon"?
I didn't say assault weapon. I said "Assault style" weapon. Below is how I described the AR-15 which I consider to be an "assault style" weapon.

 
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I heard that the military is no longer required to take an oath to defend the Constitution.
You heard wrong. As of today below is the oath that is taken by all individuals entering the US military.

I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
 
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Moving the goalposts? OK so by what ratios are veterans in favor of banning AR15s?
No moving of goalposts, that is from the same study that was in the article I linked to earlier. The study also found that veterans with combat experience are 78% more likely than non-vets to favor banning AR-15s and high-capacity magazines.

An unrelated poll found 61 percent of veterans back banning high-capacity ammunition magazines, and 58 percent support banning assault-style weapons.
 
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