"Why doesn't God heal amputees?"

JimB · Mar 9, 2009

gennaoanothen said:
to imply that God does not heal amputees, demonstrates a lack of faith, that all things are possible for God.

Amputees have received miracles, study the ministry of Wigglesworth, J. G. Lake

more amputees would receive miracles, if we did not walk by the 5 senses, and teach others to do so. But instead believed God totaly.

Nope. Its not this side of these issues that lacks faith.

Personally, I have absolute faith in God and know that, IF IT WERE HIS WILL, He would/could heal every amputee. But I also have faith that, should He choose not to, His way is best, He knows what He is doing, and He has our best interest at heart. This second aspect of faith is what seems to be missing (lacking) among the faith crowd in this forum.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis

enoch son · Mar 9, 2009

Because you don't see a thing does mean it aren't so! Or does God have to answer to your sight?

JimB · Mar 10, 2009

Unless I am mistaken, what you are saying is that God has to bow to our interpretation of the Bible, right or wrong, even when there is no empirical evidence to support it. We just have to believe your misinterpretation by blind “faith”.

Sorry.

I say, either the Word works or it ain’t the Word. A sign and wonder can’t be a sign or wonder until it is seen or experienced, unless there is empirical truth to support it.

What is ludicrous and less than convincing is to make the claim that the Bible says something and observable proof is not there to support it. It might work for you but it does not convince me. I do not always share your misinterpretation of scripture and I will not do by blind faith until you can show me it works for you. That’s what’s wrong with so much of today’s Christianity, we swallow someone’s misinterpretation of scripture based on what the say and not what can be verified in the mouth of witnesses.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis

gennaoanothen · Mar 10, 2009

Jim,
The Word works, and it is the Word of God.

Svt4Him · Mar 10, 2009

We walk by sight, so don't try your ludicrous and less convincing claims that we dont.

hopeinGod · Mar 11, 2009

hopeinGod · Mar 11, 2009

If God is in the business of healing amputees, then why isn't it happening where I work, in a VA hospital, where I see everyday soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with the loss of limbs and partial brains?

The truth is, the healing ministry has become a complete and utter joke. In fact, this is where most of the world catches glimpses of the hypocricy and manipulation that flourishes among these phonies.

Ambitious, self-appointed "ministers" sell prayer clothes for "donations" in an effort to pad their pockets and to gain a very vulnarable collection of followers who hope against hope this man will be their door to completeness. Please, look at these men for who they truly are.

Like David, I cannot write the I have never seen the righteous forsaken, because I have, and I see it everyday. Pleadings and beggings go on daily in places where the badly injured are hospitalized and nursed. If you don't believe me, visit a VA hospital.

By the way, just how many healings -- of things other than the common cold -- have taken place by those on this board who support such unsupported baloney?

Is the Bible inerrant? I want to believe it is, but my experience tells me differently.

Dave

Svt4Him · Mar 11, 2009

Go to Quebec then your anecdotal evidence will show God doesn't exist as well. That's why it's a fallacy to use anecdotal evidence to show truth. And if you base your truth on your experience, you certainly can blame the Bible.

Some people live their life and adapt the Bible to fit it. Some people adapt their life to the Bible.

JimB · Mar 12, 2009

You act like anecdotal evidence (as in “signs and wonders&#8221 is unbiblical. Jesus told Mary and Martha that if they trusted Him they would “see” (experience, have evidence of) the glory of God. Jesus told Philip that believing without evidence was best but He then said, “But at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves” (John 14.11). Jesus miracles and healings were not just in theory only; they happened and people experienced them.

Paul’s prayer for the Ephesians was that the “experience the love of Christ” (3.19) and that the Philippians “experience the joy of your faith” (1.25) and “God’s peace” (4.7). His prayer for Philemon was that he “understand and experience all the good things we have in Christ” (1.6).

I have yet to see an amputee healed but I have seen a toddler with a club foot instantly healed and at least four deaf people with 75% to 100% hearing loss healed instantly. I have watched an ankle suffering from edema instantly shrink so much that the woman stepped out of her shoe. There are many more miraculous healings I could relate but I have seen enough to know it is real—I have not just had to blindly “faith it.” It is more than a doctrine to me.

So, I know God heals; not just because I have a doctrine that says He does. I have witnessed it (anecdotally). But I cannot conjure up a miracle or produce a healing by wishful thinking—I simply bow to the will of God in everything. If He chooses to heal an amputee in my presence someday, it will happen. If He doesn’t, so what? I trust Him for who He is not just for the miracle’s sake. But if I need evidence, there has been plenty of that to suffice me for a lifetime.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis

gennaoanothen · Mar 12, 2009

hopeinGod said:
If God is in the business of healing amputees, then why isn't it happening where I work, in a VA hospital, where I see everyday soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with the loss of limbs and partial brains?

The truth is, the healing ministry has become a complete and utter joke. In fact, this is where most of the world catches glimpses of the hypocricy and manipulation that flourishes among these phonies.

Ambitious, self-appointed "ministers" sell prayer clothes for "donations" in an effort to pad their pockets and to gain a very vulnarable collection of followers who hope against hope this man will be their door to completeness. Please, look at these men for who they truly are.

Like David, I cannot write the I have never seen the righteous forsaken, because I have, and I see it everyday. Pleadings and beggings go on daily in places where the badly injured are hospitalized and nursed. If you don't believe me, visit a VA hospital.

By the way, just how many healings -- of things other than the common cold -- have taken place by those on this board who support such unsupported baloney?

Is the Bible inerrant? I want to believe it is, but my experience tells me differently.

Dave

Dave,
Do you pray for them?

Yekcidmij · Mar 12, 2009

hopeinGod said:
Is the Bible inerrant? I want to believe it is, but my experience tells me differently.

Interpretation, not inerrancy, is at issue.

tm2cruz · Mar 13, 2009

I believe God still heals today. Just open your eyes and see. no one can convince me that God doesn't heal anymore.

JimB · Mar 13, 2009

Um, I think you missed the point of the OP. Did you read the OP or just the title of the thread and jump to a conclusion?

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis

hopeinGod · Mar 13, 2009

gennaoanothen said:
Dave,
Do you pray for them?

I used to do more than I do now. My feeling that what the Bible seemed to assert in my youth is all a bunch of naive crap pervades my present thinking. God appears now to be heartless and unapproachable. And this feeling didn't arrive merely through my work, but also from my long-held Christian friends who are today in their late 50s, many of whom suffer with terrible physical conditions. Where is God in all this? On vacation?

What demands a change is my view of the truth. Is it true God wants to heal everyone, that He is an ever present help in time of trouble, or is He perpetually absent from the most tormented folks?

Dave

gennaoanothen · Mar 13, 2009

hopeinGod said:
I used to do more than I do now. My feeling that what the Bible seemed to assert in my youth is all a bunch of naive crap pervades my present thinking. God appears now to be heartless and unapproachable. And this feeling didn't arrive merely through my work, but also from my long-held Christian friends who are today in their late 50s, many of whom suffer with terrible physical conditions. Where is God in all this? On vacation?

What demands a change is my view of the truth. Is it true God wants to heal everyone, that He is an ever present help in time of trouble, or is He perpetually absent from the most tormented folks?

Dave

I believe there was a point in my life that I kind of felt what you have stated above, so I can understand what you have said.
I have seen a lot in this lifetime also, we are about the same age.
Some of the thinking I had was from early on, church experiences, well it is the will of God, that this one died or that one died or this happens to this one, years back my twin died in a homicide, that was it I looked up to heaven and declared how unfair it is, I was mad and I was bold, I knew the prayer went through, I was also wrong in my thinking. It was not God's fault and it was not His will, within short order He showed me the truth, He did not do these things, the enemy did, and the enemy had even decieved many in the church to believe that it was God doing this. No most of the things I had seen was due to sin and fallen man.
Where is God in all this?
God is within us, wanting to do His will, through us, we have to permit Him to work through us, we have to empty ourselves of us, and let God do His work. That is what I have learned.
I have been healed twice, of different illnesses. I have prayed for others and they have been healed, from cancer to whatever, all I can do is pray, and believe that God will do His work, and let Him do His work.
Truthfully I do believe that God can and will do miracles for amputees, and I pray that one day He would permit me to be a vessel He can use.
God has not abandoned us, I believe we have been the guilty party, and I would pray that we would return to God, because that is what He would have us to do.
Be Blessed

max1120 · Mar 13, 2009

Maybe he will. It has been discused that embryonic stem cells may be used for this purpose!

Max

gennaoanothen · Mar 15, 2009

max1120 said:
Maybe he will. It has been discused that embryonic stem cells may be used for this purpose!

Max

murder babies to heal.
just noticed your party line

max1120 · Mar 16, 2009

Gennaoanothen.... Sorry you feel that way but the vast vast majority of people (nearly 2 out 3 according to polls) disagree with you and do not see using embryonic stem cells as "killing babies". Even the vast majority of christians do not agree with you (almost 60%). I find it sad that some keep up such simplistic thinking in the face of evidence that this growing science will some day spare millions dreaded diseases and death.

Max

Sierra162 · Mar 17, 2009

gennaoanothen said:
murder babies to heal.
just noticed your party line

I agree with you gennaoanothern.

And I am sorry about your twin.

JimB · Mar 17, 2009

gennaoanothen said:
murder babies to heal.
just noticed your party line

Thats right. You cant go to heaven unless you registered Republican at the Primary Elections and voted correctly in the general election, like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity told you to.

Or did I misinterpret your post?

~Jim

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