Why does your god design people with disabilities?

concernedskeptic · Aug 4, 2007

Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said to him, Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the dumb, or the deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

It seems quite clear in this scripture that your god creates people with disabilities on purpose. I’m curious that if your god is real, why does he inflict so many people with disabilities? and how is this fair, just and equal?

ebia · Aug 4, 2007

We are all in need of healing. The whole of creation is in need of healing. When Christ healed the sick and disabled he enacted what is needed by all of us and will happen when we are resurrected into the New Creation. The world is sick - God didn't intend that, and has fixed it on the cross.

The quote you pull out of context needs its context: Moses is saying "I can't do this because ....". He finds an excuse because he knows he isn't up to the job - in his case his excuse is his stammer, but any of us who has been called to do anything hard knows that one can always find a reason why "I can't do it". God's response is "I made you, and I can deal with that - I'll give you what you need."

Digit · Aug 4, 2007

ebia said:
The quote you pull out of context needs its context: Moses is saying "I can't do this because ....". He finds an excuse because he knows he isn't up to the job - in his case his excuse is his stammer, but any of us who has been called to do anything hard knows that one can always find a reason why "I can't do it". God's response is "I made you, and I can deal with that - I'll give you what you need."

Once again context strikes.

But anyhow, I agree. I think that's an incredibly powerful statement. Imagine having God directly covering your back in something like this, and being so aware of it. Being able to say, "Look, I can't do this... because -" and having God say, "I know, I made you remember. You let me worry about that, just hold up your end of the bargin."

Again, it comes down to faith. God chooses the most unlikely people to be his champions, with such devestating effect.

Cheers,
Digit

rizzla · Aug 4, 2007

concernedskeptic said:
It seems quite clear in this scripture that your god creates people with disabilities on purpose. I’m curious that if your god is real, why does he inflict so many people with disabilities? and how is this fair, just and equal?

I don’t know the answer; I’m not too sure if even the greatest theologians/ apologists could tell us (well leastways not simple enough for me to understand – lol). Could give you my best guess though; no idea where its fits into my denominations ‘official’ stance (or even if they have such a thing).

Nature isn’t fair, just or equal. It just is. Add ‘morality’ (or an all-loving deity as some prefer) into the equation and your right; things don’t add up. Not that nature physically changes; just our awareness, understanding and appreciation of nature.

My sons learning disability means I’ve had to reassess what I thought I knew. At times its not been easy, but certainly enlightening; I genuinely don’t see him now as being disabled, just different. Fairness, justice or equality? Doesn’t come into it. God? Yes. Initially as a prayer to get me through just one more day with my sanity intact, and later as a general thankyou for blessing me with the opportunities to mature & develop spiritually & emotionally. Selfish ‘me’ ‘me’ prayers I know, but I also know that my sons already been blessed.

~peace~

Emmy · Aug 4, 2007

Dear concernedskeptic. When God chose Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egyptian Bondage, Moses did not want to do, what God had told him. Moses gave his slowness of speech as excuse, and God pointed out to him, who made man`s mouth, or every thing about him? " Therefore go and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say." God knows all about us, He knows what we can do, or not do, and God has His reasons. These words to Moses show us that God is working out His Plans for us. I do not know why God makes people with disabilities, but if God has made something, we may be sure it is all in God`s Plan, and he will be there to help us. I say this humbly and with love, concernedSkeptip, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.

cyberlizard · Aug 4, 2007

i believe god creates people like we see them so that he can show his power, through them as they are as as he intends to change them. Remember Jesus' teaching about the person born that way from birth... he was aske, is it cause his parents sinned, Jesus said, no it was just so god could reveal his power.

that aside, god can and does use anybody regardless of either mental or physical limitation. And the reason he can do so is that he is God.

Now as to the question of it being fair or not, is actually a non start - as i understand it we all have genetic mistakes (since the fall) just some are more obvious than others.

God is the potter and can do as he pleases.

WarEagle · Aug 4, 2007

concernedskeptic said:
Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said to him, Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the dumb, or the deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

It seems quite clear in this scripture that your god creates people with disabilities on purpose. Im curious that if your god is real, why does he inflict so many people with disabilities? and how is this fair, just and equal?

Like others have pointed out, you've taken this verse pretty badly out of context.

When you say "if your God is real...", you do know that whether or not God creates people with disabilities has nothing to do with whether or not God exists, right?

jesusmyhealer · Aug 4, 2007

I've always asked this question and to date, I still don't have a reasonable explanation and it seems that there is nobody out there who can give it.

I'm a Christian who strongly believes in God however, this question is a hard one and I guess one that we will never have an answer to, just like a million other things as Christ followers we will never know.

I guess that's why they call it faith, you just got to believe and leave it up to God.

It's very hard when you see a disabled person, especially children. I've worked with disabled kids and it's bloody tuff in fact, it's so not fair

concernedskeptic said:
Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said to him, Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the dumb, or the deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

It seems quite clear in this scripture that your god creates people with disabilities on purpose. Im curious that if your god is real, why does he inflict so many people with disabilities? and how is this fair, just and equal?

mystery4 · Aug 4, 2007

concernedskeptic said:
Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said to him, Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the dumb, or the deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

It seems quite clear in this scripture that your god creates people with disabilities on purpose. I’m curious that if your god is real, why does he inflict so many people with disabilities? and how is this fair, just and equal?

God doesn't create people with disabilities on purpose. Disabilities are a result of sin, what we have done to ourselves. Sure God has the power to stop them, and why he doesn't all the time I don't know. However I will tell you about one of my friends.

This person, who I shall name John (its not his real name), was born with a physical disability, not sure exactly what the problem is. He can't walk, reliant on a wheelchair, constantly needs dressings, often in and out of hospital and at present in alot of pain, so much so that he can't sleep at night. He has grown up in a Christian family and knows God. Yet his faith is extremely strong, doesn't complain about his stituation and makes the most out of everything. He is involved with childrens and music ministries (plays the violin, cello, keyboard, drums - yes that includes the kit, I can't remember what other instruments he plays). He has been a constant inspiration to those around him and through him others who have never met him have been inspired and grown in their faith in God. God has used him for a witness, to show God's power despite his disabilities and he has probably done more and been more than what he could've done without his disabilities.

Was is fair that God hasn't corrected his legs so that he can use them? For him probably not. God never promises to take us out of difficulties or circumstances, but what he does do is promise to be with us through it all. He never leaves us nor forsakes us. And it is only through the difficulties that we really learn to appreciate the good things and times in our life.

jesusmyhealer · Aug 4, 2007

Disabilities are a result of sin, what we have done to ourselves.

So you're telling me that a baby, still in it's mother's womb, creates sin, has created the disability himself?

Is that what you are saying?

Are you into Christian Science? Cos it's the sort of comment they would make!

WarEagle · Aug 4, 2007

jesusmyhealer said:
Disabilities are a result of sin, what we have done to ourselves.

So you're telling me that a baby, still in it's mother's womb, creates sin, has created the disability himself?

Is that what you are saying?

I don't mean to jump in and speak for mystery. I'm sure he can answer just fine for himself, but in Romans 5-7, we're told that sin entered the world and all of us are under it's curse, baby and adult alike.

Babies may not sin, but that doesn't mean that they're immune from the effects of sin.

jesusmyhealer · Aug 4, 2007

My post was in response to a message from "Mystery4".

Sorry but I disagree with the statement.

I know all about the book of Genesis and sin.

But remember the person that started this thread is trying to get insight on why our God created people with disabilities and it's a valid question.

To say that we are born with disabilities coz of our sins is not correct, sorry but it's not.

WarEagle · Aug 4, 2007

jesusmyhealer said:
I know all about the book of Genesis and sin.

And how about Romans?

To say that we are born with disabilities coz of our sins is not correct, sorry but it's not.

OK. So, on what basis do you disgree with scripture?

jesusmyhealer · Aug 4, 2007

WarEagle said:
OK. So, on what basis do you disgree with scripture?

I do not disagree with scripture however, I do question it sometimes!

I disagree with Mystery4.

Now according to Myster4's statement, persons born with a disability is due to their sin, they did it to themselves.

Therefore I asked about a baby who is not born yet, or do you think that the mother must have been evil and full of sin therefore the child became disabled?

Or does God pick the disabled at random....."I think I will make, you, you and you disabled and I'll make you, you and you 6ft tall models, perfect in every way".

Whatever!

WarEagle · Aug 4, 2007

jesusmyhealer said:
I do not disagree with scripture however, I do question it sometimes!

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you said but it sure sounds like you're saying that people aren't born with disabilities because of the curse of sin.

Now according to Myster4's statement, persons born with a disability is due to their sin, they did it to themselves.

That's not how I understand his post. I'll let him explain it for himself when he comes back.

Therefore I asked about a baby who is not born yet, or do you think that the mother must have been evil and full of sin therefore the child became disabled?

It doesn't have anything to do with the sin of the individual. Like I said, Romans 5-7 explains that it is because the world is under the curse of sin and because we live in the world, we're subject to the effects of that curse.

mystery4 · Aug 4, 2007

jesusmyhealer said:
Disabilities are a result of sin, what we have done to ourselves.

So you're telling me that a baby, still in it's mother's womb, creates sin, has created the disability himself?

Is that what you are saying?

Are you into Christian Science? Cos it's the sort of comment they would make!

No, no and no.

I'm sorry I didn't express myself properly. Thank you for picking me up on that.

When God created humans, he created them perfectly. There were no defects or disabilities. These only came after we turned our backs on God and chose to go our own way instead. Thats what I mean by disabilities are the result of our sin. It pains God more than it does us to see us with disabilities and in pain. And he did all in his power to fix it. But he can't force his way on us, we must live out the results of our disobedience for a time. Then once sin is erradicated for eternity will everyone who chooses God and his way be healed.

And nothing we are going through is anything compared to the pain and suffering he has already, is currently and will go through.

jesusmyhealer · Aug 4, 2007

My dear friend Mystery4 has sent me a private message to explain.

It was a mis-interpretation.

We have resolved the issue.

Jerrell · Aug 4, 2007

Disibilities occur because of our sin. I could beg the same question as to why do we cause so many people to become blind? and lame? and Wheel-chair bound? More people are caused by other humans to become disbaled than are born disabled.

Key · Aug 4, 2007

concernedskeptic said:
Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said to him, Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the dumb, or the deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

With out proper back up and context, you seem to have taken this verse very badly.

It seems quite clear in this scripture that your god creates people with disabilities on purpose. Im curious that if your god is real, why does he inflict so many people with disabilities? and how is this fair, just and equal?

The answer to that question is quite simple, and if you read the rest of Exodus 4, the answer is explained.

It's quite simple really.

God Bless.

MethodMan · Aug 14, 2007

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