Why Does Sin Have to be Punished?

DeeDee79 said:

God will even allow him to do it over and over again without puting a stop to it? Where is God's mercy on us?

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God's mercy, we ask for every time we pray the Lord's Prayer.


This has helped me greatly to be patient when others sin. If God is patient with me when I sin over and over, then I must be just as patient with others that repeatedly sin.

It would be hypocritical for us to expect mercy for our sins, but instant judgment for the sins of others. Basically we become the judge and not God.

AnticipateHisComing said:

God's mercy, we ask for every time we pray the Lord's Prayer.

Forgive us our sins,
as we forgive others.​

This has helped me greatly to be patient when others sin. If God is patient with me when I sin over and over, then I must be just as patient with others that repeatedly sin.

It would be hypocritical for us to expect mercy for our sins, but instant judgment for the sins of others. Basically we become the judge and not God.

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I might as well give up and become a defenseless target

DeeDee79 said:

I might as well give up and become a defenseless target

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13 Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
14 Let all that you do be done in love. - 1 Corinthians 16:13-14

jimmyjimmy said:

Why Does Sin Have to be Punished?

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Where does the Bible ever say that sin is punished?

What does that mean?

What would be the point of punishing sin, if that is even possible?

Is "sin" a personal being that can be punished?

Sinners are punished by God. For their own good (e.g. 1 Cor.5:4-5). Never sadistically, pointlessly, endlessly, or without a positive loving purpose in mind.

ClementofA said:

Where does the Bible ever say that sin is punished?

What does that mean?

What would be the point of punishing sin, if that is even possible?

Is "sin" a personal being that can be punished?

Sinners are punished by God. For their own good (e.g. 1 Cor.5:4-5). Never sadistically, pointlessly, endlessly, or without a positive loving purpose in mind.

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I don't even know if sinners are punished because I see people who hurt people on a daily basis with no repcrussions for their actions.

DeeDee79 said:

I don't even know if sinners are punished because I see people who hurt people on a daily basis with no repcrussions for their actions.

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For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. - 1 Corinthians 13:12

Hammster said:

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. - 1 Corinthians 13:12

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What does that mean in relation to my post?

DeeDee79 said:

What does that mean in relation to my post?

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You can’t see all of what there is to see. There’s much more. We’ve been trying to tell you that what’s going on here is temporary, and we can’t see it all.

God’s got this. You need to rest in Him and trust Him.

Hammster said:

You can’t see all of what there is to see. There’s much more. We’ve been trying to tell you that what’s going on here is temporary, and we can’t see it all.

God’s got this. You need to rest in Him and trust Him.

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I know what I see and it makes for a crappy life

DeeDee79 said:

I know what I see and it makes for a crappy life

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Then stop asking us for answers that you’ll just reject.

Better yet, read this and then tell us how bad you have it.

Arrested in Church. Evangelist persecuted. Boko Haram abducted girl still not free.

DeeDee79 said:

I don't even know if sinners are punished because I see people who hurt people on a daily basis with no repcrussions for their actions.

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Typically Christians believe such people will be punished postmortem, though sinners often reap what they sow in this life as well.

DeeDee79 said:

I know what I see and it makes for a crappy life

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Sorry to hear that. What is it you see? Do you speak of yourself or others?

Perhaps such will have a greater measure of joy than most when that turns around. Which it will.

"Live life conscious of how much God loves you, and be set free from condemnation, depression, addictions, and other bondages. Join Joseph Prince for a liberating time in the Word as he shows you how you can be free from a burdensome life of legalism to enjoy a life of unspeakable joy and peace..."

"Live With The Sense Of God’s Love":

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ClementofA said:

Sorry to hear that. What is it you see? Do you speak of yourself or others?

Perhaps such will have a greater measure of joy than most when that turns around. Which it will.

"Live life conscious of how much God loves you, and be set free from condemnation, depression, addictions, and other bondages. Join Joseph Prince for a liberating time in the Word as he shows you how you can be free from a burdensome life of legalism to enjoy a life of unspeakable joy and peace..."

"Live With The Sense Of God’s Love":

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What I see is having to deal with this situation the rest of our lives. It could always be an issue. There is no true moving on.

jimmyjimmy said:

Why Does Sin Have to be Punished?

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What is the punishment for sin that Jesus bore for sinners? Is the punishment (for sin justly due to sinners) eternal torments? Is Jesus, then, suffering eternal torments?

ClementofA said:

Sinners are punished by God. For their own good (e.g. 1 Cor.5:4-5). Never sadistically, pointlessly, endlessly, or without a positive loving purpose in mind.

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Please acknowledge a difference between discipline and punishment. Discipline for the saved, punishment for those not.

Yes God does at times punish the wicked in this age. Sadistic, so you judge God. Look to God's righteous punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah. Look at the flood. Do you think this was discipline with the hope that they would repent and had a loving purpose in mind?

ClementofA said:

What is the punishment for sin that Jesus bore for sinners? Is the punishment (for sin justly due to sinners) eternal torments? Is Jesus, then, suffering eternal torments?

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I think we are mostly addressing earthly punishment and to that end Jesus's death does not take away earthly punishment or discipline. The purpose of Jesus' death was to atone the sins of those being saved such that on judgment day their sins are not remembered. Jesus was not punished, he suffered as scripture says.

DeeDee79 said:

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What I see is having to deal with this situation the rest of our lives. It could always be an issue. There is no true moving on.

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God knows what he is doing, while our job is to figure out what God wants in us. Trust that God is just and will punish those not saved.



If you doubt God because of your situation, then the situation will never improve until the doubt is improved. Don't blame God for the evil in this world, blame Satan. God only lets it continue because he is patient and does not want the good crops to be pulled out with the weeds. Remember Jesus' parable of the weeds, Matthew 13:24-30.

ClementofA said:

Where does the Bible ever say that sin is punished?

What does that mean?

What would be the point of punishing sin, if that is even possible?

Is "sin" a personal being that can be punished?

Sinners are punished by God. For their own good (e.g. 1 Cor.5:4-5). Never sadistically, pointlessly, endlessly, or without a positive loving purpose in mind.

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Isaiah 53
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.


If it pleased LORD to bruise his only begotten Son because he put our sins on him ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) , why do you think that it would not please him to put you into lake of fire if you were not saved ?


There are some people who think they can bribe God to not punish sin but he can't be bribed Psalms 49:7 , they try to do these wonderful works Matthew 7:21-23 or they try to bribe him through praying to Mary because they think that she can influence God's ability to judge in thier favor . That is delusion .

Sin must be punished because it steals the glory of God . God is perfect love but also perfect and Just Judge . He can't let you go because he would be partaker in crime himself .

AnticipateHisComing said:

I think we are mostly addressing earthly punishment and to that end Jesus's death does not take away earthly punishment or discipline. The purpose of Jesus' death was to atone the sins of those being saved such that on judgment day their sins are not remembered. Jesus was not punished, he suffered as scripture says.

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What i have in mind is the theology (e.g. of many Reformed/Calvinists?), that Jesus bore God's wrath for sin and/or the punishment for sin that we deserved. In that light i previously remarked:

What is the punishment for sin that Jesus bore for sinners? Is the punishment (for sin justly due to sinners) eternal torments? Is Jesus, then, suffering eternal torments?

As another forum member elaborated:

"For me it all simply boils down to this; if eternal hell is the price for sin, then why isn’t Jesus sitting in hell paying that eternal price, for you and me? Him being sinless never
‘changed the price for sin’. And that 'price' was either 'eternal hell' or it was 'physical death'. Being sinless never changed the price of sin, it simply ‘qualified’ sinless Jesus
to vicariously pay 'the price' for us, that we might live again beyond the grave. And He did so by dying an UNJUSTIFIED physical death with a 'very short' time separated from the Father, in our place. And He did so, that we might be JUSTIFIED by His physical death. But the price was never 'eternal separation from God’ and it was never 'burning in Hell eternally' either. If that was 'the price' of sin, then that's where Jesus should eternally be, making payment. Jesus being perfect did not change the price for sin. And that's where orthodoxy's vision needs spiritual glasses to see what religious men have missed."

Is aionion necessarily coequal in duration with aionion (in Mt.25:46)?

AnticipateHisComing said:

Please acknowledge a difference between discipline and punishment. Discipline for the saved, punishment for those not.

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Can you provide proof of such a distinction? Including proof that "punishment" is not disciplinary? The Greek word often translated "punishment" (kolasin) at Mt.25:46 can mean "correction" & some translations render it there as such or "chastening", etc. Strong's Greek: 2851. κόλασις (kolasis) -- correction

Hab.1:12 O LORD my God, my Holy One, you who are eternal--surely you do not plan to wipe us out? O LORD, our Rock, you have sent these Babylonians to correct us, to punish us for our many sins.

Because I have sinned against him, I will bear the LORD’s wrath, until he pleads my case and upholds my cause. He will bring me out into the light;I will see his righteousness. (Micah 7:9)

Isaiah 12:1
Then you will say on that day, "I will give thanks to You, O LORD; For although You were angry with me, Your anger is turned away, And You comfort me.

Hosea 6:1
"Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us.

Isa.57:17 “Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him;
I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart.

18“I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Isaiah 29:24
"Those who err in mind will know the truth, And those who criticize will accept instruction.

Dan.4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
34a But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him...
36 At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me.
37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride.

AnticipateHisComing said:

Yes God does at times punish the wicked in this age. Sadistic, so you judge God. Look to God's righteous punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah. Look at the flood. Do you think this was discipline with the hope that they would repent and had a loving purpose in mind?

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I rightly judge God, in agreement with the Sacred Scriptures, to not be a "sadist". Do you not agree?

There is no comparison between the momentary, light, just judgments of Sodom or the flood - and that of endless torments. Yes, such temporary judgments are always done in love by One Who is, above all, Love. Just as a father disciplines a child.

When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness." (Isa.26:9b)

Likewise there is:

1 Cor 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Cor.11:29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.