Why does Mormonism want to be Associated with Christianity?

Idk but they are trying too hard to appeal mainstream. I can't understand how someone can be Mormon, I mean all the evidence is there that Joseph Smith is a false prophet.

A Christian is a person who believes in Jesus Christ. The LDS believe in Jesus Christ. That makes us Christians whether anyone else likes it or not. If other Christians want to disassociate themselves from us -- that works for me. I'm not very impressed with the fruits they have shared with me.

Ran77 said:

A Christian is a person who believes in Jesus Christ. The LDS believe in Jesus Christ. That makes us Christians whether anyone else likes it or not. If other Christians want to disassociate themselves from us -- that works for me. I'm not very impressed with the fruits they have shared with me.

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Hi,
I asked every missionary who I met for a couple of years this question.
1. Are you Christian.
Individually, and asking them not to consult with each other I then ask this question.
1. How did you become a Christian.
The answers are usually one of two.
1. A burning in my bosom.
2. I decided I was one day.
Neither of those answers is Biblical. Biblically it is God, who causes one to seek. Bilbically it is God, who gives one faith. Without both of those, you cannot be Chrisitian, for real.
As an example, I just decided that I am President Bush. Ask me now if I am. I am. I am president Bush.
No one comes by someting incorrectly, and correctly for Christianity, it is God, Who calls, and it is God who imparts faith. I can't do that, decide on my own. It doesn't work that way. No burning in the bosom does that either.
The problem for each of these missionairies, is one they are allowed to reject all things in the Bible, randomly, and by purposeful will.
The other problem is they do not know what is in the Bible, and sometimes they don't even know what is in the book they use, either.
Normally, I tell them all of this, and then leave the dicisions up to them, to either follow what they have been doing, or to find out what the truth is and follow that. It is not easy, leaving. It is not easy giving up family. It is not easy at first reading the Bible. It is not.
LOVE,
...Kate, .... .

Ran77 said:

A Christian is a person who believes in Jesus Christ. The LDS believe in Jesus Christ. That makes us Christians whether anyone else likes it or not. If other Christians want to disassociate themselves from us -- that works for me. I'm not very impressed with the fruits they have shared with me.

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Do you believe that Jesus is just a prohet or an angel or do you believe He is the only Son of God?

psalms 91 said:

Do you believe that Jesus is just a prohet or an angel or do you believe He is the only Son of God?

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They teach that he is the literal son of God and a heavenly mother, first as a spirit child like all of us, and second as the son of Mary and God the Father. He is the only son that had God as the literal father of his body.

Phoebe Ann said:

They teach that he is the literal son of God first as a spirit child like all of us and second as the son of Mary and God the Father. He is the only son that had God as the literal father of his body.

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I thought thta they taught something other than the Son of God. I know the D & C has some rather strange doctrine in it

psalms 91 said:

I thought thta they taught something other than the Son of God. I know the D & C has some rather strange doctrine in it

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They believe in three united gods, the Father being supreme. Their printed articles of talks given by general authorities in the past stated "the only begotten son of God in the flesh."

Phoebe Ann said:

They teach that he is the literal son of God and a heavenly mother, first as a spirit child like all of us, and second as the son of Mary and God the Father. He is the only son that had God as the literal father of his body.

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The "literal son of God and a heavenly mother" is something you have just thrown in there for shock value. In church we teach that Jesus is the Son of God. This is the problem with critics explaining our doctrines to others. If there are truly so many problems with the LDS church why not stick to presenting our doctrines as they are taught? If we are wrong that should be enough.

Ran77 said:

The "literal son of God and a heavenly mother" is something you have just thrown in there for shock value.

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You apparently delight in pretending that I have sinister motives which I do not. You apparently delight in denying the teachings of your "chosen by God" leaders.

Jesus Christ: Only Begotten in the Flesh
Author: HANSEN, GERALD, JR.
Ancient and modern scriptures use the title Only Begotten to emphasize the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Latter-day Saints recognize Jesus as literally the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh (John 3:16; D&C 93:11; Moses 6:52). This title signifies that Jesus' physical body was the offspring of a mortal mother and of the eternal Father (Luke 1:35, 1Ne. 11:18). It is LDS doctrine that Jesus Christ is the child of mary and God the Father, "not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (JC, p. 81).

The fact of Jesus' being the literal Son of God in the flesh is crucial to the Atonement, which could not have been accomplished by an ordinary man. Because of the Fall of Adam, all mankind are subject to physical death and are shut out from the presence of God. The human family is unable to save itself. Divine law required the sacrifice of a sinless, infinite, and eternal being-a God-someone not dominated by the Fall, to redeem mankind from their lost and fallen condition (Alma 34:9-14; cf. 42:15). This price of redemption was more than any mortal person could pay, and included the spiritual sufferings and physical agony in Gethsemane (Luke 22:44; Mosiah 3:7; D&C 19:18). To complete the Atonement by physical death and resurrection, it was necessary that Jesus be able to lay down his physical body and also be able to take it up again. He could do this only because he had life in himself, which he inherited from God his Father (John 5:26;10:17-18). Christ inherited the ability to die from his mortal mother and the power to resurrect himself from his immortal Father. Dying was for him a voluntary, deliberate act for mankind, made possible only because he was the Only Begotten of the Father (D&C 20:18-26).

Bibliography
McConkie, Bruce R. The Promised Messiah, pp. 467-73. Salt Lake City, 1978.
GERALD HANSEN, JR.
eom.byu.edu

Jesus Christ: Only Begotten in the Flesh
Author: HANSEN, GERALD, JR.
Ancient and modern scriptures use the title Only Begotten to emphasize the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Latter-day Saints recognize Jesus as literally the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh (John 3:16; D&C 93:11; Moses 6:52). This title signifies that Jesus' physical body was the offspring of a mortal mother and of the eternal Father (Luke 1:35, 1Ne. 11:18). It is LDS doctrine that Jesus Christ is the child of mary and God the Father, "not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (JC, p. 81).

The fact of Jesus' being the literal Son of God in the flesh is crucial to the Atonement, which could not have been accomplished by an ordinary man. Because of the Fall of Adam, all mankind are subject to physical death and are shut out from the presence of God. The human family is unable to save itself. Divine law required the sacrifice of a sinless, infinite, and eternal being-a God-someone not dominated by the Fall, to redeem mankind from their lost and fallen condition (Alma 34:9-14; cf. 42:15). This price of redemption was more than any mortal person could pay, and included the spiritual sufferings and physical agony in Gethsemane (Luke 22:44; Mosiah 3:7; D&C 19:18). To complete the Atonement by physical death and resurrection, it was necessary that Jesus be able to lay down his physical body and also be able to take it up again. He could do this only because he had life in himself, which he inherited from God his Father (John 5:26;10:17-18). Christ inherited the ability to die from his mortal mother and the power to resurrect himself from his immortal Father. Dying was for him a voluntary, deliberate act for mankind, made possible only because he was the Only Begotten of the Father (D&C 20:18-26).

Bibliography
McConkie, Bruce R. The Promised Messiah, pp. 467-73. Salt Lake City, 1978.
GERALD HANSEN, JR.


Jesus Christ: Birth of Jesus Christ
Author: SKINNER, ANDREW C.
Latter-day Saint scripture affirms unequivocally that the birth of Jesus Christ was the mortal advent on earth of an actual God, a second and distinct member of the Godhead. Adam was assured redemption through the Only Begotten of the Father, and every true prophet had a hope of Christ's glory (Moses 5:6-10; Jacob 4:4).

Biblical prophecies and accounts of Jesus' birth are confirmed and enlarged in latter-day scripture. While Matthew's birth narrative emphasizes Christ's kingship (drawing attention to the magi, King Herod, and Bethlehem, the city of King David) and Luke's account accents Jesus' humility and holiness (mentioning the lowly manger, the shepherds, and the heavenly choirs), the Book of Mormon focuses on his coming as a fulfillment of a loving God's plan that was established from before the foundation of the world.

The time of Jesus' birth, along with the purposes of his mortal ministry, were established in the premortal life (see Council in Heaven; Moses 4:1-4; 1 Ne. 10:2-4; Mosiah 3:5-10). A detailed vision of the anticipated Savior's birth was recorded by Nephi 1, a Book of Mormon prophet, shortly after 600 B.C. (1 Ne. 11:7-24). He foresaw a virgin in the city of Nazareth who was carried away in the spirit, and then saw the virgin again with a child in her arms, whom an angel identified as the Son of God. Nephi described Christ's coming as the condescension of God, which may be understood in two respects: first, in that God the Father, a perfected and glorified personage of flesh and bones, condescended to become the father of a mortal offspring, born of Mary; and second, in that Jesus (Jehovah), the God who created worlds without number (Moses 1:32-33; John 1:1-4, 14; Heb. 1:1-2), willingly submitted himself to all the trials and pains of mortality (Mosiah 3:5-8; MD, p. 155).

For Latter-day Saints, the paternity of Jesus is not obscure. He was the literal, biological son of an immortal, tangible Father and Mary, a mortal woman (see Virgin Birth). Jesus is the only person born who deserves the title "the Only Begotten Son of God" (John 3:16; Benson, p. 3; see Jesus Christ: Only Begotten in the Flesh). He was not the son of the Holy Ghost; it was only through the Holy Ghost that the power of the Highest overshadowed Mary (Luke 1:35; 1 Ne. 11:19)...
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I'm known for doing research at lds sites. You should know that by now.

Phoebe Ann said:

you apparently delight in pretending that I have sinister motives which I do not. You apparently delight in denying the teachings of your "chosen by God" leaders.

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I have made no comment about your motives. I have made no hints as to your motives. I point out the fact that you routinely add your own spin to what the LDS actually believe. Words get inserted into explanations of our doctrines that subtly and not so subtly alter the content. I don't care why you do this. I only care about making sure that the LDS beliefs are correctly presented on this forum.

Phoebe Ann said:

I'm known for doing research at lds sites. You should know that by now.

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Since you mention what I know; I know that you post a great deal of non-doctrinal material and when you do add commentary to the quotes they include twists to our beliefs that make your presentation inaccurate.

I also know that a good amount of the material you present is researched at sites which oppose the LDS church. Of course, where you do your research is less of a concern than the fact that alterations that are included.

psalms 91 said:

Do you believe that Jesus is just a prohet or an angel or do you believe He is the only Son of God?

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Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Savior. He is the Word that was God from the beginning.

Phoebe Ann said:

I'm known for doing research at lds sites. You should know that by now.

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BYU isn't a "church" website for establishing doctrine.

You should know that by now.

don't the mormons have an angel named Moron?

Here is a good example of what I mentioned.

Phoebe Ann said:

They teach that he is the literal son of God and a heavenly mother . . .

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You posted this and I pointed out that this is something that you threw in for shock value. In response to that charge you posted this.

Phoebe Ann said:

Jesus Christ: Only Begotten in the Flesh
Author: HANSEN, GERALD, JR.
Ancient and modern scriptures use the title Only Begotten to emphasize the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Latter-day Saints recognize Jesus as literally the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh (John 3:16; D&C 93:11; Moses 6:52). This title signifies that Jesus' physical body was the offspring of a mortal mother and of the eternal Father (Luke 1:35, 1Ne. 11:18). It is LDS doctrine that Jesus Christ is the child of mary and God the Father, "not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (JC, p. 81).

The fact of Jesus' being the literal Son of God in the flesh is crucial to the Atonement, which could not have been accomplished by an ordinary man. Because of the Fall of Adam, all mankind are subject to physical death and are shut out from the presence of God. The human family is unable to save itself. Divine law required the sacrifice of a sinless, infinite, and eternal being-a God-someone not dominated by the Fall, to redeem mankind from their lost and fallen condition (Alma 34:9-14; cf. 42:15). This price of redemption was more than any mortal person could pay, and included the spiritual sufferings and physical agony in Gethsemane (Luke 22:44; Mosiah 3:7; D&C 19:18). To complete the Atonement by physical death and resurrection, it was necessary that Jesus be able to lay down his physical body and also be able to take it up again. He could do this only because he had life in himself, which he inherited from God his Father (John 5:26;10:17-18). Christ inherited the ability to die from his mortal mother and the power to resurrect himself from his immortal Father. Dying was for him a voluntary, deliberate act for mankind, made possible only because he was the Only Begotten of the Father (D&C 20:18-26).

Bibliography
McConkie, Bruce R. The Promised Messiah, pp. 467-73. Salt Lake City, 1978.
GERALD HANSEN, JR.
eom.byu.edu

Jesus Christ: Only Begotten in the Flesh
Author: HANSEN, GERALD, JR.
Ancient and modern scriptures use the title Only Begotten to emphasize the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Latter-day Saints recognize Jesus as literally the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh (John 3:16; D&C 93:11; Moses 6:52). This title signifies that Jesus' physical body was the offspring of a mortal mother and of the eternal Father (Luke 1:35, 1Ne. 11:18). It is LDS doctrine that Jesus Christ is the child of mary and God the Father, "not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (JC, p. 81).

The fact of Jesus' being the literal Son of God in the flesh is crucial to the Atonement, which could not have been accomplished by an ordinary man. Because of the Fall of Adam, all mankind are subject to physical death and are shut out from the presence of God. The human family is unable to save itself. Divine law required the sacrifice of a sinless, infinite, and eternal being-a God-someone not dominated by the Fall, to redeem mankind from their lost and fallen condition (Alma 34:9-14; cf. 42:15). This price of redemption was more than any mortal person could pay, and included the spiritual sufferings and physical agony in Gethsemane (Luke 22:44; Mosiah 3:7; D&C 19:18). To complete the Atonement by physical death and resurrection, it was necessary that Jesus be able to lay down his physical body and also be able to take it up again. He could do this only because he had life in himself, which he inherited from God his Father (John 5:26;10:17-18). Christ inherited the ability to die from his mortal mother and the power to resurrect himself from his immortal Father. Dying was for him a voluntary, deliberate act for mankind, made possible only because he was the Only Begotten of the Father (D&C 20:18-26).

Bibliography
McConkie, Bruce R. The Promised Messiah, pp. 467-73. Salt Lake City, 1978.
GERALD HANSEN, JR.


Jesus Christ: Birth of Jesus Christ
Author: SKINNER, ANDREW C.
Latter-day Saint scripture affirms unequivocally that the birth of Jesus Christ was the mortal advent on earth of an actual God, a second and distinct member of the Godhead. Adam was assured redemption through the Only Begotten of the Father, and every true prophet had a hope of Christ's glory (Moses 5:6-10; Jacob 4:4).

Biblical prophecies and accounts of Jesus' birth are confirmed and enlarged in latter-day scripture. While Matthew's birth narrative emphasizes Christ's kingship (drawing attention to the magi, King Herod, and Bethlehem, the city of King David) and Luke's account accents Jesus' humility and holiness (mentioning the lowly manger, the shepherds, and the heavenly choirs), the Book of Mormon focuses on his coming as a fulfillment of a loving God's plan that was established from before the foundation of the world.

The time of Jesus' birth, along with the purposes of his mortal ministry, were established in the premortal life (see Council in Heaven; Moses 4:1-4; 1 Ne. 10:2-4; Mosiah 3:5-10). A detailed vision of the anticipated Savior's birth was recorded by Nephi 1, a Book of Mormon prophet, shortly after 600 B.C. (1 Ne. 11:7-24). He foresaw a virgin in the city of Nazareth who was carried away in the spirit, and then saw the virgin again with a child in her arms, whom an angel identified as the Son of God. Nephi described Christ's coming as the condescension of God, which may be understood in two respects: first, in that God the Father, a perfected and glorified personage of flesh and bones, condescended to become the father of a mortal offspring, born of Mary; and second, in that Jesus (Jehovah), the God who created worlds without number (Moses 1:32-33; John 1:1-4, 14; Heb. 1:1-2), willingly submitted himself to all the trials and pains of mortality (Mosiah 3:5-8; MD, p. 155).

For Latter-day Saints, the paternity of Jesus is not obscure. He was the literal, biological son of an immortal, tangible Father and Mary, a mortal woman (see Virgin Birth). Jesus is the only person born who deserves the title "the Only Begotten Son of God" (John 3:16; Benson, p. 3; see Jesus Christ: Only Begotten in the Flesh). He was not the son of the Holy Ghost; it was only through the Holy Ghost that the power of the Highest overshadowed Mary (Luke 1:35; 1 Ne. 11:19)...
eom.byu.edu

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Since this is in response to my criticism of your comment about the LDS teaching that Jesus is the literal son of heaven mother, please point out where in this material it discusses that topic. I admit that I read through quickly and could have missed it, but I think it's more likely that you inserted it for shock value as I already suggested. Where does this material discuss heavenly mother?

EightSixSevenFiveThreeO9 said:

don't the mormons have an angel named Moron?

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This is the kind of stuff we're talking about.

The person's name is Moroni.

Critics of the church love to drop the "i" to mock us.

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
I asked every missionary who I met for a couple of years this question.
1. Are you Christian.
Individually, and asking them not to consult with each other I then ask this question.
1. How did you become a Christian.
The answers are usually one of two.
1. A burning in my bosom.
2. I decided I was one day.
Neither of those answers is Biblical. Biblically it is God, who causes one to seek. Bilbically it is God, who gives one faith. Without both of those, you cannot be Chrisitian, for real.
As an example, I just decided that I am President Bush. Ask me now if I am. I am. I am president Bush.
No one comes by someting incorrectly, and correctly for Christianity, it is God, Who calls, and it is God who imparts faith. I can't do that, decide on my own. It doesn't work that way. No burning in the bosom does that either.
The problem for each of these missionairies, is one they are allowed to reject all things in the Bible, randomly, and by purposeful will.
The other problem is they do not know what is in the Bible, and sometimes they don't even know what is in the book they use, either.
Normally, I tell them all of this, and then leave the dicisions up to them, to either follow what they have been doing, or to find out what the truth is and follow that. It is not easy, leaving. It is not easy giving up family. It is not easy at first reading the Bible. It is not.
LOVE,
...Kate, .... .

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In case you missed it the first time.

A Christian is a person who believes in Jesus Christ. The LDS believe in Jesus Christ. That makes us Christians whether anyone else likes it or not.

Ironhold said:

This is the kind of stuff we're talking about.

The person's name is Moroni.

Critics of the church love to drop the "i" to mock us.

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Dude, it's real easy to forget about that "i", my bad.

EightSixSevenFiveThreeO9 said:

don't the mormons have an angel named Moron?

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Hi,
Matthew 7:16. If your are male, and no briar are you, and if you are female and no thorn are you, then eveyone can listen to you. Otherwise, only what a thorn quotes from Scripture, exactly, and only what a briar qoutes from Scripture exactly, is all we are to listen to from them
Accidentally, or on purpose saying their Moroni, is a moron really, is very close to being a briar. Not everyone here, uses military humor to talk. Nor do they understand military humor. I do. I do both.
Once, for you, a Latter Day Saint, A baptist and others approached me, as I was a researcher, in Semiconductors. Religion was a side project of mine there. I was then engaged in something involving The Bible, for the last 7 years or so then.
As was their habit, they all approched me. I was unaware. "Do you think that we know, if our religion is true or not?" Yes. Yes of course I do. Each one of each religion represented there, said otherwise. I was stunned. I was. I was sure each of them knew precisely, if their religion was true. I also thought then that they followed their religion out of facts only. It is not so. Much is through being born to a religion, and nothing else really.
As then, I was a scientific researcher, it is maybe understandable to you, how I would see that as the reason.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

Why does Mormonism want to be associated with Christianity?

Well, considering that there just about as many ideas of
what constitutes "Christianity" as there are Christians,
why not?

The more, the merrier!


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