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It doesn't show him as a torturer. God is giving them life in prison.An interpretation that shows YHWH to be a sadistic torturer i.e. the one that has people living in the horror of suffering for eternity.
I have asked you for scripture. I see zero scripture.Ok have it your own way, the nations aren't the enemies of God and don't come into the City repentant and worshiping God after not being devoured by fire and/or not turfed in the lake of fire. That's just not what happens and not in that order.
I get what you're saying and u agree with you about denominations (at least that's what I think you're getting at) and they shouldn't exist. I'm not trying to put you in a box, the first one was a joke, the second was just out of curiosity, It's not common to hear people use the proper names of Jesus and God (Yeshua and Yahweh).
It doesn't show him as a torturer. God is giving them life in prison.
Nations=church
If it didn't and everyone will be saved then why bother sending missionaries?
Will Nero and Hitler also be with us? What about Balaam and Ahab? Stalin and Pol Pot? Moa Zedong?
Death and hades give up their dead for judgment. Into the lake for a treatment with life-giving waters, saved and on to the NJ for worship of the One True Living God and healing.All of the people who were left in Sheol by Jesus?
Furthermore why would God sending people to hell make him a terrorist? He's only enforcing the law.
That the sinner fails to Love God is his choice. The nature of the consequence is the choice of the Creator and reflects His nature. It is in His nature to protect His Loved ones and that is why there must be a separation, He is life itself and that is why separation from Him is painful and deadly. But he is also kind and merciful, and eternal torture does not fit with kind and merciful.God does not choose to torture people. It is the sinner's choice to not love Him.
Although life at sea comes close.Life in prison is not eternal torment in any way. Every cell has a bed with a pillow and sheets, and blanket to keep the prisoner comfortable. There is a sink for him to wash his hands and face. They have windows. Prisoners are allowed to read books, write, and pray. Grooming supplies are provided. None of this can be seen in hell.
Furthermore there is a hope of release and relationships that can be formed not just within the prison but, in return for good behavior and/or when Christians are around, on the outside as well.Life in prison is not eternal torment in any way. Every cell has a bed with a pillow and sheets, and blanket to keep the prisoner comfortable. There is a sink for him to wash his hands and face. They have windows. Prisoners are allowed to read books, write, and pray. Grooming supplies are provided. None of this can be seen in hell.
Appreciate your humour, but missed it sorry, no worries.I get what you're saying and u agree with you about denominations (at least that's what I think you're getting at) and they shouldn't exist. I'm not trying to put you in a box, the first one was a joke, the second was just out of curiosity, It's not common to hear people use the proper names of Jesus and God (Yeshua and Yahweh).
But he is also kind and merciful, and eternal torture does not fit with kind and merciful.
I've only learnt the implication of the names recently, and I guess the source is some sort of Hebrew roots stuff.
I hear you!Neither, dare I say it, does capital punishment...or are we talking involuntary euthanasia lol?
The recent reading I have done draws a question mark around the origin of the Greek name "Iesous" and points out that it is a masculine rendering of the name "Ieso", the Greek goddess of healing, no less. "Iesous" appears to have been a convenient translation (is it normal to translate names?) that may have made Yehushua more palatable to the Greeks. As I say, rings a bell for me, and although we know who we are referring to and speaking to, and He is full of grace, it strikes me as a bit off that we do not call Him by His given name.If the name Jesus is good enough for Yahusha, shouldn't it be good enough for us?
Ok 'nuff said.I hear you!
the origin of the Greek name "Iesous" and points out that it is a masculine rendering of the name "Ieso", the Greek goddess of healing, no less. "Iesous" appears to have been a convenient translation
it strikes me as a bit off that we do not call Him by His given name.
I know what you mean and I also find that off putting. Correct enough what they point out but some risk putting themselves in the box with the Judaizers of Galatia.Ok 'nuff said.
Yes, that's my understanding, it's all derivation from pronuniciations - Yahusua to Yeshu to Iesu to Jesu to Jesus. Same with YHVH to Yahuah to Iehovah to Jehovah. Still, some people treat the issue as an essential precondition for salvation!
Except that it is Joshua that is the English pronunciation of Yehushua.True, could say Jesus is just the English pronunciation. And God is an Englishman after all!
Correct enough what they point out but some risk putting themselves in the box with the Judaizers of Galatia.
Except that it is Joshua that is the English pronunciation of Yehushua.
So the church gets gathered by satan to come up after the 1000 years and besiege the holy city? Given the state of the church today, I wouldn't be surprised. A blurred crusade.
The nations are obviously those who don't know God, eg:
The Gentiles shall see your righteousness, And all kings your glory...(Is 66:2)
the nations in the city are not and nations who fought against God, they are dead.
It never says anything about healing waters.
It also only deals with consequences of this life, not the next.
I waswmaking a Metaphor. Words can't describe the the horrors of hell, nevermind GahannaLife in prison is not eternal torment in any way. Every cell has a bed with a pillow and sheets, and blanket to keep the prisoner comfortable.There is a sink for him to wash his hands and face. They have windows. Prisoners are allowed to read books, write
Oh yes, if you can talk in hell, I'm sure that you can pray. However, it doesn't mean that anyone is listening.and pray. .
The nations get undeadified Tyler. They get vivified and go on up. In Rev 20:9 all the nations of the earth are gathered to attack Jerusalem. They get the baptism of fire.
Yes, they are for us, not those in Gahanna, nor does it say that it is for non believers.You're right. It says healing leaves in Rev 22:2.
Thank you for pointing to Jesus in the Old Testament.It's Ezekiel 47 that speaks of the river of life that brings everything in the Dead Sea to life.
They're there to eat you!And I'll see your Mark 9:48 and raise it a Rev 22:3. Bring on the worms, they're here to help!
That isn't hypocrisy,so no. Explain to me how it is please. Then explain how the wages of sin is death.So is God a hypocrite?
No, they die in the fire, show me scripture that says God brought them back to life.
Yes, they are for us, not those in Gahanna, nor does it say that it is for non believers.
Thank you for pointing to Jesus in the Old Testament.
They're there to eat you!
Explain to me how it is please. Then explain how the wages of sin is death.
Again, they didn't the nations in the city are the ones who followed God, all other nations are dead because they followed Satan. Why would the king trust rebels and let them in the city?Were going round in circles. Every mention of the nations. They were ALL consumed in Rev 20:9, so how do the come back later?
By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, (21:24)
The members who have died the first death, yes they are in heaven. The ones are the earth are not dead. Those who converted after the rapture are still on Earth.For the nations. And yes, most people. The church should already bein heaven, having mostly avoided the GWT judgment.
My bad, I see what you're referencing now.My pleasure. You might notice that Ez 47:1-12 is the prophecy of which Rev 21-22 is the fulfillment.
To eat the sin and clean us up.
That's not hypocrisy, that's being a king. Kings don't let citizens administer lasting justice. Kings to let minor courts deal with serious crimes. Furthermore, God does not ignore pleas for justice.Hypocrite if He says you judge by one measure, and then He applies another.
The wages of sin is death, not eternal damnation. And when death and sin are destroyed, what's left - LIFE.
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