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Although Jesus is "God as discernible by physical senses." So the resurrected Jesus could just live on earth making rounds of all the nations, campaigning for God.
But He doesn't.
What this verse is talking about is the Pharisee's in Jesus day. These Pharisee's would pray openly in public to 'appear' more spiritual, seeking the approval of men for praying more than the approval of the God they are/were praying to.I am not the one who describes him as being in secret. The Bible does:
Matt 6:5
So that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…
Berean
So why all the secrecy?
BTW
I am aware of the different modes that were used to transmit the knowledge we now have.
What I am talking about is a direct manifestation. Why this hiding behind what seems like a deep silence?
I am not the one who describes him as being in secret. The Bible does:
Matt 6:5
So that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…
Berean
So why all the secrecy?
Why not simply show himself to humans? Why all the mystery? If communication is indeed what is needed, why not communicate in a more direct way instead of in a way that can be doubted?
I am not the one who describes him as being in secret. The Bible does:
Matt 6:5
So that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…
Berean
So why all the secrecy?
BTW
I am aware of the different modes that were used to transmit the knowledge we now have.
What I am talking about is a direct manifestation. Why this hiding behind what seems like a deep silence?
But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Romans 1:19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
God appears to be very open.
It should be pretty obvious...God doesn't want you to be "showing off" with your prayers.
But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?
But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?
But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?
As I previously said. I mean today when atheism abounds and in a manner that leaves no room for doubts..He did. It's called the incarnation. You can read all about it in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Because the verse is only relevant in its saying that God listens in secret. The rest of it referring to not showing-off in public via prayer in order to gain the accolades of men is irrelevant to God's being in secret which is the point why I quoted it.You quoted the verse....in post 6. So why is it off topic?
Nature indeed provides enough for us to see clearly that there indeed is a creator. However, there are many persons who still argue that these things can be explained away naturally as a consequence of blind forces working together during unimaginably long periods of time. What harm could it possibly do to shut their smug claptraps via a brief unmistakable demonstration after which he could again go back into his ominous silence?The verses I presented in post 64 is pretty clear God is not a secret
But it should also be understood that unless God allows you to come to Christ you can't
John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
As I previously said. I mean today when atheism abounds and in a manner that leaves no room for doubts..
Nature indeed provides enough for us to see clearly that there indeed is a creator. However, there are many persons who still argue that these things can be explained away naturally as a consequence of blind forces working together during unimaginably long periods of time. What harm could it possibly do to shut their smug claptraps via a brief unmistakable demonstration after which he could again go back into his ominous silence?
HE is still teaching and training HIS SHEEP TODAY. HE never abandoned HIS SHEEP. (HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE, as HE SAYS)-57 said:When Jesus taught for .... years there were many who didn't believe Him. I don't think it would make much of a difference today.
Imagican said:That men chose to interpret the Bible through 'darkness' rather than 'light'.......When we consider history, things have NEVER gotten 'better'. They have always gotten WORSE.
It should be pretty obvious...... .. ....
HE set things, everything , in order as HE PLEASES. PERFECTLY.But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?
It is CRUCIAL.Showing off via public prayer is coincidental to the issue of his being in secret. In fact, it is totally off topic.
Amein. Without [in private] prayer, again, nothing. (no life, none at all)But it should also be understood that unless God allows you to come to Christ you can't
John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
HIS SHEEP have no doubt nor fear. Only PEACE, JOYOUSNESS(in all things and, yes, even when being put to death, imprisoned, beaten, tortured, etc) and RIGHTEOUSNESS all gifts in Y'SHUA with Y'SHUA, abiding in HIM.As I previously said. I mean today when atheism abounds and in a manner that leaves no room for doubts..
HE is still teaching and training HIS SHEEP TODAY. HE never abandoned HIS SHEEP. (HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE, as HE SAYS)
Who is this "not enough" for? It states that none are without excuse. God has given every human enough proof of His existence to sufficiently judge them on whether they believed or did not, when it is there time to be judged.But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?
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