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Why does God choose to remain invisible and undetectable?

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But what happens if one get's to close to the sun? (Burned up right)

Or what happens if one stares into t sun directly without the protection of the atmosphere (go blind, right), same with God the Father without Jesus Christ.

The atmosphere doesn't provide protection to our eyes, according your analogy we should be avoiding your god.

God is a more powerful concentrated light source than a billion suns, remember there is no sun in Heaven, it says that God is it's light, and all is illuminated by him, and heaven is called the city of light...

If your god was a more powerful concentrated light source than a billion suns, we wouldn't see any stars.


Sunlight is very visible and detectable, your god is not.
 
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Again, I believe in another dimension, so...

And God can be seen in Christ, Christ was God in the image of man, so he is not "invisible and undetectable" He has already shown himself, and look what we all did to him... Do you really think the world is any different today?

God, as in Elohim, is a ball of concentrated light, to me, and when we see heaven we see that shining through and from the throne and the lamb (J.C>) like a light shining on/ a prism...and the first image we can see of God is a man, sitting on a throne, emitting light from himself... and guess who that man is?

God Bless
 
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Instead of making a God up in your head, then deciding that, that's what God should be, maybe you should think about what you're saying.

If you understood God then he wouldn't be God at all.

You don't find it at all ludicrous that you must have a deity that you can't possibly grasp, for it to be a deity to you at all?

I guess that gets you out of answering for all the inconsistencies, falsehoods and terrible behaviors in the scriptures then.
 
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the world is manifestly different today.
 
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Poor analogy. Ants and termites almost certainly don't possess the cognitive capabilities to believe humans exist.


So therefore humans don't exist?

It is possible for atheists can go about their daily lives blissfully unaware that god(s) are watching.
 
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Sunlight is most definitely not invisible.
Well, I am thinking of how if sunlight is passing through air I do not see it. But you might mean how sunlight can be seen . . . as a rainbow, for example . . . when it passes through moisture in the atmosphere.

It can be like this with God. Through Jesus, we can see God
 
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you can't even see Jesus. You're using exceedingly poor analogies. You have a story about a Jesus, not one evidenced. You can't see through an imaginary microscope.
 
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Again, I believe in another dimension, so...



So...this dimension is objectively visible and detectable to only a few?

And God can be seen in Christ, Christ was God in the image of man, so he is not "invisible and undetectable" He has already shown himself, and look what we all did to him... Do you really think the world is any different today?

God Bless

We didn't do anything to Jesus, if he was god he knew he was on a fake suicide mission.
 
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Sunlight has to be shining on or from something in order for us to detect it (see it) and there are light rays in other spectrums we can't see and energy being emitted we can't see, is so unreasonable to believe in another dimension?

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Sunlight has to be shining on or from something in order for us to detect it (see it) and there are light rays in other spectrums we can't see and energy being emitted we can't see, is so unreasonable to believe in another dimension?

God Bless!

the spectrum of light has been thoroughly studied, and documented. Each new discovery has something in common: It's tested and retested, and rigorously investigated.

none of which has anything to do with another dimension.
 
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Awesome analogy.
 
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Of course you can abandon "religion", but you will never abandon reality. Dan Barker's walk of faith has obviously been polluted with another reality opposite the goodness of God.

Dan is not unlike many of us who have lost our faith. We developed the habit of examining our faith critically, and so it faded as we came to understand that there was no good reason to continue believing in the doctrines of Christianity.


I think you are equivocating on the word 'nature.' Those who live "in nature" (technically, all of us) don't necessarily have a better understanding of it than those who study it in detail. Living "in nature" does not mean understanding it.


How are our emotions evidence that God exists? This seems like a non sequitur to me.

I'm not "pretending" that others are being unreasonable.

It seems that you are.

But the very moral foundation of human life and your beliefs of right and wrong indicate that their is a God.

How so? Moral claims need not appeal to deities. I would argue that moral claims based on religion are sitting on a weak and shaky foundation.

By atheistic views, we are all stardust.

Yes, we are stardust. That is true even if there is a God. We are not just stardust though. We are stardust that can think and feel and love and write poetry and do calculus.


This seems like an argument from ignorance (God of the gaps) to me.

I also find it ironic when Christians berate the notion of "something coming from nothing" when the doctrine of creatio ex nihilo posits exactly that.

Every known great thinking mind has come to the conclusion that there has to be a grand intelligence at work when they trace our "origins" to the big bang. God is scientifically proven, now they are left with what that God is.

That simply isn't true. If I recall correctly, the great majority of scientists in the National Academy of Sciences are atheists/agnostics. That says nothing about the truth or falsity of theism, but it does refute your claim that "every known great thinking mind has come to the conclusion that there has to be a grand intelligence at work."


Why should they call it "God" instead of acknowledging that we do not understand what happened in the very early universe? This seems like another argument from ignorance.


You have yet to establish that there has to be a creator/designer.

then you can study religions of the world and then, if you are truly a truth seeker, will come to know and love Christ.

Of course. If I am a truth seeker, I will come to assent to your theology, right? How predictable.


I have read and considered exactly that. In my assessment, it does not support your assertions.

It's 2015, update your philosophy.

By adopting the beliefs of ancient Middle Eastern pastoralists?
 
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Sunlight has to be shining on or from something in order for us to detect it (see it) and there are light rays in other spectrums we can't see and energy being emitted we can't see, is so unreasonable to believe in another dimension?

God Bless!


The other spectrums of light are visible and detectable within this dimension.
 
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There are many ways of committing suicide but never by being nailed to a cross.

Unlike thousands of others that did die horrible deaths on crosses, Jesus went to the cross with the sole intention to die. Few days later he was alive again.

No sacrifice here.
 
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Unlike thousands of others that did die horrible deaths on crosses, Jesus went to the cross with the sole intention to die. Few days later he was alive again.

No sacrifice here.

No Jesus knew everything ahead of time that the world would kill him for his taking his stand for righteousness, and that's what happened...

God Bless!
 
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No Jesus knew everything ahead of time that the world would kill him for his taking his stand for righteousness, and that's what happened...

God Bless!

If he knew for certain that he would be resurrected and defeat the Enemy, in what sense did his sacrifice involve risk? Risk occurs when decisions are made with uncertainty regarding the outcome. That does not seem to apply to an omniscient deity.
 
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