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Why does everyone think Evolution contradicts Creationism?

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Since we're having trouble getting to an answer for "dog", would you prefer that I ask what organism existed one generation before the first mammal?

Speciation doesn't happen over a single generation.

Also, the ancestor of all mammals would have been just another species of vertebrate, and all mammals are still vertebrates.

Seems to me that there has to be a first insert organism here.

Seems you are wrong. Speciation involves a population of organisms and it occurs over several generations.
 
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Chihuahuas weren't always around, so what organism existed one generation before the Chihuahua?
Ah,,, two other dogs......

My wife breeds "gollies". You take one golden retriever and one border collie and breed them. Of course you need one to be male and one to be female....The pups are "gollies". If you keep doing this for enough time, it can become a registered breed.

The Chihuahua is the result of dogs bred with dogs bred with dogs.... it is still...... a dog.
 
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Ah,,, two other dogs......

Then we appear to have the answer for dysert's other question:

"Since we're having trouble getting to an answer for "dog", would you prefer that I ask what organism existed one generation before the first mammal?"'

If we move up a level, the answer would be "two other amniotes".

http://tolweb.org/Amniota


And humans are still hominids, still primates, still mammals, still vertebrates, and still eukaryotes. So why do you have a problem with humans sharing common ancestry with species in those same groups?
 
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In rebuttal to the title of the thread, not everyone does think that evolution contradicts creationism. That said, I know that evolution is a falsity. I believe the Inspired Version of the Bible. It is a version that was given by the Spirit of God to Joseph Smith. Mostly there are changes to the Genesis account, and a few changes in the gospels. One of the changes is in the story of God's creation and the reason that there are two stories that are told of it (or that there is a reason at all, as it is not explained in the KJV). It says that there was a spiritual creation before there was a physical one. It says that the soul is the union of the spirit with the body. It says that every one of God's creation was created in spiritual form, yet there was not a man to till the ground.

From chapter two of the book of Genesis:
6 And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men, and not yet a man to till the ground, for in heaven created I them, and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

7 But I, the Lord God, spake, and there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

8 And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul; the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also;

Notice, Adam was the first flesh upon the earth. This leaves no room for equivocation. There is not any wiggle room. Jesus speaks of Adam as a real and living being as well. In order to dismiss Adam as an amalgamation of man in general or an illustration I must also dismiss Jesus words as those of a mistaken individual, which he cannot be and still have lived a perfect life. So, take your pick. Either one points toward a real Adam created in time and space.
 
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In rebuttal to the title of the thread, not everyone does think that evolution contradicts creationism.

What they are really talking about is Christianity, not creationism. Creationism is designed as a rejection of evolution and an acceptance of special creation by supernatural means. Evolution does contradict creationism, but it doe not contradict Christianity.

That said, I know that evolution is a falsity. I believe . . .

Believing in something really, really hard does not turn it into knowledge. That's not how it works.

If you want to claim that you KNOW evolution is false, then you need to present scientific evidence demonstrating that it is false. "I believe" is not scientific evidence.
 
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Will you answer the question then, or do you too wonder if I'm too dumb to understand?
 
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This is only true if you believe that the scientific method is the only valid source of knowledge. It is not. I have heard from the Lord on a few occasions. I have moved, in a very few areas of my life, beyond faith to knowledge. This happens to be one of them. Adam was, in fact, the first flesh on the earth, breathed into life by the Creator of the dust from which Adam was formed. Not opinion, not speculation, revealed fact. That someone does not accept revelation as a source of knowledge in no way diminishes its truthfulness.
 
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Do you think knowledge is something that can be demonstrated?
 
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This is only true if you believe that the scientific method is the only valid source of knowledge. It is not.

Then show me another method for explaining biodiversity that works.


Facts are demonstrable. Please show us the evidence that Adam was the first flesh on Earth.
 
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Because the facts of modern science do not support anything other than the most trivial natural selection, as in the case of the Galapagos finches, whose beaks even reverted to their former state, when the climate returned to normal. Christians do not have an option not to believe in Creation, but neither does reason permit us to believe in significant evolution, given the unequivocal evidence of the Cambrian Explosion.

When you refer to 'Creationism' you are obviously adopting the disingenuous ascription of the term by the atheists to specify the belief of the Young Earthers, to the exclusion of the far more common belief in Old Earth Creationism - in other words, using their play-book.

Materialists, on the other hand ,are quite unashamed of having no clue as to how Creation came to be, and no folly is too extreme, as far as their theorizing on the theme of a non-divine means of Creation. The Singularity, itself, insofar as some of them accept it, unsurprisingly, defies even their imagination, since it has to be our Creator God or a fairly proximate agency of is.

On the other hand, the Big Bang and fine tuning are each, independently, unassailable truths, completely disqualifying the non-Creationist position, properly so-called. In short, Christian evolutionists are useful tools of the atheist, corporate 'deep state'.
 
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Because the facts of modern science do not support anything other than the most trivial natural selection,

That's false. I have discussed the genetic evidence for shared ancestry between humans and other apes at length in this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/creationist-arguments-against-ervs.7898737/


All of the definitions I have used include both YEC's and OEC's. What creationists have in common is the rejection of evolution in favor of special creation of separate species.


All based on an argument from ignorance, which is a logical fallacy on your part.
 
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Do you have a picture of him on your wall?
No, I have some of his books on my bookshelves. I forgot what he looked like. He is a director and unless you are a director then he pretty much trumps your opinions.
 
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