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I have no evidence that your evidence trumps my "religious dogma." After 50 years I KNOW that God is real. I'm not prepared to call Him a liar.That is because I follow the evidence while you cling to religious dogma.
I have no evidence that your evidence trumps my "religious dogma." After 50 years I KNOW that God is real. I'm not prepared to call Him a liar.
You're on a Christian website attacking Christianity and you have the audacity to call one who actually believes in it a troll?Although, I'm not too sure that Crazy is actually as crazy as he's letting himself out to be. I think he's trolling, but who know?
You're on a Christian website attacking Christianity and you have the audacity to call one who actually believes in it a troll?
Instead of bluffing and blustering, why don't you just do so? Tell us what multivariate analyses you performed, what the results where and how those measurements and characteristics "show transition".
KWCrazy said:You're on a Christian website attacking Christianity and you have the audacity to call one who actually believes in it a troll?
I still am prone to wonder ---after reading KWcrazy's most preposterous statements---if he is simply playing a game on us. I've wondered if he is perhaps a former fundamentalist who left his church with a lot of bitterness towards his strict background and he enjoys making creationists look silly. (There's certainly no YECs here singing his praises and thanking him for elevating the quality of the YEC anti-evolution arguments.) I make a lot of room for the Kruger-Dunning Effect but even so, KWCrazy overloads one reality-meter after another. It is just so hard to take him seriously---and I say that as someone who spent YEARS within the YEC movement as a speaker/debater. (And as someone who still attends church with a LOT of great young earth creationist friends who are wonderful people, I admit to having a certain amount sensitivity towards those who unmercifully mock them. They are NOT all Kent Hovinds and Ken Ham types. Many are sincere and good people who simply don't know much about science [and sometimes not a lot about the Bible either as to origins topics] and they simply go along with church traditions. We all have a tendency to go with the flow at times. So I don't like seeing them mocked as KWCrazy seems to be doing.)
The truly clueless usually will eventually avoid various topics (even while clinging to their YEC position) after being trounced again and again. They don't understand the science but they DO understand humiliation---and so they go silent on at least those subjects. KWCrazy has a suspicious lack of that kind of caution.
Perhaps I just sincerely want to have a higher opinion of him. (And I certainly admit to having been fooled in the past.) After all, whimsical playacting on an Internet forum is a kind of role-playing that some people truly enjoy. And I would much rather think that he is practicing his method-acting here than to assume that he actually believes what he is writing. Otherwise, it would mean that we are watching some kind of masochism obsession at work and I don't want to think that.
At least I can HOPE that we will all have a good laugh someday when he finally posts, "Gotcha! You all fell for it hook, line, and sinker!" And perhaps on that day I will realize that I can be more gullible than I thought.
After 50 years I KNOW that God is real. I'm not prepared to call Him a liar.[/color]
Many people here have attacked Christianity, either directly or by lying about what the Bible clearly states. The person to which this was directed has made three posts so far (that I remember without checking all the way back) and each of them has been insulting. Coming to a thread to insult is the mark of a troll. Another person has professed to be a "Bible affirming Christian" who constantly lies about the verbiage of the Bible and hes neither the guts nor the integrity to back his accusations with the "correct" Biblical text. There are some with whom I simply do not and will not ever agree, but at least they are somewhat reasonable in their approach.No one here is attacking Christianity. We are simply debating against the historical accuracy of Genesis. If you wish to make the claim that one can not be Christian without taking all of the Old Testament literally, please be able to back it up.
Many people here have attacked Christianity, either directly or by lying about what the Bible clearly states. (snip)...
I have no evidence that your evidence trumps my "religious dogma." After 50 years I KNOW that God is real. I'm not prepared to call Him a liar.
I can't comment on the first part of this statement, but the latter is not true. The attacks, at least in this thread in which you are commenting, are not on what the Bible says, but what you interpret them to say.
None.What genetic markers would humans and chimps need to share in order for you to accept that they share a common ancestor?
Many people here have attacked Christianity, either directly or by lying about what the Bible clearly states.
The person to which this was directed has made three posts so far (that I remember without checking all the way back) and each of them has been insulting. Coming to a thread to insult is the mark of a troll. Another person has professed to be a "Bible affirming Christian" who constantly lies about the verbiage of the Bible and hes neither the guts nor the integrity to back his accusations with the "correct" Biblical text. There are some with whom I simply do not and will not ever agree, but at least they are somewhat reasonable in their approach.
Genesis states that the world was created in six days.
None.
We don't believe humans and chimps share a common ancestor (kind); we believe they share a Common Designer (God).
Like walking on water? the triune nature of the Godhead? the Resurrection?I would say that you are the one attacking the Bible by requiring an interpretation that is directly contradicted by reality.
I think you can answer that better than I.What evidence would demonstrate that your beliefs are false?
I think you can answer that better than I.
Like walking on water? the triune nature of the Godhead? the Resurrection?
If you read post 349, you'll see that Jesus Christ, the son of God, who actually WITNESSED the accounts, never disputed a word of the Scriptures and in fact believed them to be accurate. I don't pretend to know more about Science than Jesus, to know more about the word of God than Jesus, or to harbor any assumption that Jesus would participate in a lie. Since I believe the words of Christ to be the very definition of truth, I have no reason to doubt that if it was all alegory that He would have told us so. Further, the only reason I could see why you or anyone else would contradict the Scriptures is to pretend that nature is somehoe greater than God or that the laws of the science which He created have more validity that God Himself. Unlike some, I understand as Genesis teaches that everything was created in its mature state. Are there things that Genesis does not cover; questions that could be raised? Certainly. However, you don't ask those questions. You take the assumption that the only truth is what you can see, feel, hear, taste or smell. What about those things that are not physical; which every culture in the history of man has recorded?The real question is why you insist on an interpretation of Genesis that makes God a liar. Care to explain that?
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