common sense, your body constantly produces sperm, its gotta go somewhere, there you have it, wet dreams!
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common sense, your body constantly produces sperm, its gotta go somewhere, there you have it, wet dreams!There is no science connecting nocturnal emissions with any kind of physical need to release excess as there is with having to evacuate the bowels.
Shizzle said:common sense, your body constantly produces sperm, its gotta go somewhere, there you have it, wet dreams!
Shizzle said:algae does produce frogs
JunkYardDog said:The "harm" is to yourself and God. You "harm" God by sinning against Him. And, as paul said, fornication is a sin against your own body.
invisible trousers said:stellar example of circular reasoning right there. masturbation is bad because it's a sin. why is it a sin? because it's bad. you ignored my question completely too. let's not even start on how masturbation has never been a part of fornication.
this is really simple-- all you have to do is show how masturbation is harmful, much like how lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc are harmful. why are you unable to do so?
invisible trousers said:i'm not quite sure what i'm supposed to be in denial about, either.
I see the source of your confusion. You are in an alternate reality. The fact is that if it does not lead to harm to anyone then it was not covetousness. If it does not instill an illigitimate sexual desire it was not lust. You need to get your definitions straight before engaging in the dialogue.JunkYardDog said:For one, about being in denial.
Please show the biblical requirement that something must be proved to be harmful to someone or "as harmful ad murder" before it can be called sin. Being covetous harms no one so long as you don't go into acting it out in theft, yet one of the Big Ten forbids it. Looking at a woman to lust after her harms no one, but Jesus said it is adultery. You have set up your own standards -- and impossible ones at that for you would always argue that what I say is "harm" isn't a harm in your eyes. Your standards are not God's.
The Wiccan standard is: "Doing no harm, do what ye will." That leaves the individual as the final arbiter of what is harm.
That isn't the way God works. You've bought into the teaching of Wicca, not Jesus.
statrei said:I see the source of your confusion. You are in an alternate reality. The fact is that if it does not lead to harm to anyone then it was not covetousness. If it does not instill an illigitimate sexual desire it was not lust. You need to get your definitions straight before engaging in the dialogue.
Your poor hermeneutics is obvious. Christ was teaching that the act begins in the mind. Certainly you are not advocating that anyone who looks at a woman has sinned. Do you plan on gouging our your eyes as an example? Stop feeding the view that Christianity is the domain of the unlearned and ignorant.JunkYardDog said:You are correct. I do live in an alternate reality. It is called the Kingdom of God where God's definitions count, not human ones. God prohibits covetousness -- which He says is idolatry -- as well as looking and lusting BEING (not leading to) adultery.
statrei said:Your poor hermeneutics is obvious. Christ was teaching that the act begins in the mind. Certainly you are not advocating that anyone who looks at a woman has sinned. Do you plan on gouging our your eyes as an example? Stop feeding the view that Christianity is the domain of the unlearned and ignorant.
Sometimes I wonder. There is none so blind as he who will not see because he continues to insist that he is the sighted one.JunkYardDog said:Your "hermenutics" is what allows you to escape what God ACTUALLY SAID. It reminds me of what the Jews had done to God's Word when Jesus was here. Jesus SAID looking at a woman to lust after her was a sin. God SAYS that coveting is breaking His commandment. Dance with Herman around that all day long, but you will not escape God's standard when you stand before Him.
statrei said:Sometimes I wonder. There is none so blind as he who will not see because he continues to insist that he is the sighted one.
Please show the biblical requirement that something must be proved to be harmful to someone or "as harmful ad murder" before it can be called sin.
"i'm right you're wrong end of story" awesome! feel free to not substantiate your argument in any real mannerFor one, about being in denial.
let me guess, your standards are? please.Your standards are not God's.
I don't see how you combine the two but I guess more difficult things have been accomplished.Shizzle said:doesnt the bible say somewhere in psalms that ignorance is willful
the futility of this debate is equal to discussing the existance of God with an atheist..
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