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Why do you feel a NEED for theistic evolution?

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HERE IS A GOOD VIDEO! FOR OUR READERS!

Theistic evolution rejects the truth of Scripture. In this talk Simon explains the consequences of injecting Naturalism into the Bible. He reviews the essential doctrines this false teaching violates and encourages everyone to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.


 
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HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE MIRACLES OF JESUS.. MANY CLAIM THAT THEY ARE ALL ALLEGORICAL!!!

"Do you have any evidence to support your claim?"

SURE! THESE GUYS ARE A FEW OF MANY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THAT THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS AND / OR HIS MIRACLES ARE PURELY ALLEGORICAL ! JUST LIKE YOU! THEY PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH PARTS OF THE BIBLE THEY BELIEVE AND WHICH ONES THEY DONT.. WHO ARE YOU? DO YOU KNOW MORE THAN GOD ABOUT HIS CREATION? WHERE YOU THERE? ARROGANCE DOESNT EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE IT DOES IT? LOL.. I TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE GOING TO THOROUGHLY ENJOY THIS CONVERSATION WITH ME!! ALL THE OVAL EARTHERS DO!

I BELIEVE THAT JESUS DID A MIRACLE WITH THE FISH AND THE LOAVES OF BREAD! THESE GUYS ARE CALLING GOD A LIAR!! JUST LIKE YOU DO!! NICE..

The Miracle of The Loaves and Fishes - Esoteric Meanings

The Miracle of The Loaves and Fishes Introduction
"The Miracle of The Loaves and Fishes puts a mystical and astrological perspective on the feeding of the multitudes which if we interpret literally makes little sense. Like much of the Bible this story is allegorical and so we must look for a hidden meaning behind this important Biblical event. The numbers that occur in the text below are common throughout the Bible as they represent specific aspects of God and Man and the relationship between the two."

10 Reasons The Story Of Jesus Might Be An Allegory For The Sun - Listverse

Jesus Christ is a mythical and allegorical figure who never lived on earth – Nehanda Radio
 
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I seriously don’t intend to play games with you as I’ve seen this creationist crap pseudoscience for at least the last 25 years. You’re seriously misinformed about science subjects . I do understand that you’ve bumped into deliberate creationist disinformation and I don’t think it’s your fault but after 25 years it’s rather tiresome to deal with the same inaccurate and long refuted nonsense. Most if not all creationist science info are PRATTs
 
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Cartoons generally aren't a good replacement for evidence and a cogent argument.

Just saying.

YOU "SAY" A LOT OF THINGS... LOL HERE ENJOY...
HAVE A WONDERUL EVENING!! BEST WISHES JT

 
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"I seriously don’t intend to play games with you as I’ve seen this creationist crap pseudoscience for at least the last 25 years."


I'm sorry that this discussion didn't work out like you were hoping it would..

The truth is, God created Man for a reason as he didn't want wind up robots mindlessly going around saying "I love you lord" as forced love is meaningless love and even humans know that...

God wont force you to love him and seek him out in spirit and in truth.. You have the free will to reject his divine plan through his Son (Which you are doing) and repenting and become born again of the Spirit and become a member of the family of God...

I urge you to reconsider while you still have breath in your lungs...

Evolutionism is Satan's greatest lie from hell..

Best wishes JT

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" John 316 "Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fullfilled Atheist" Richard Dawkins
 
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"You seem to be getting more and more excited."

NAH.. THATS JUST YOUR IMAGINATION WORKING OVERTIME AGAIN..

YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN PLENTY OF EVIDENCE WHICH YOU IGNORE AND GIVEN ME ZERO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CRAZY WANNABE APE FANTASIES.. BUT YOU SURE HAVE A WONDERFUL IMAGINATION!!
 
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So just so I can try to understand.. During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment (shallow coastal waters) at the same exact time, (500 MYA till now) while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into.. comb Jellyfish..("Living fossils") And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?

Why reject the much more PARSIMIOUS explanation that is found in the Bible?
 
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So just so I can try to understand.. During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment (shallow coastal waters) at the same exact time, (500 MYA till now) while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans,

Remember you learned that comb jellies aren't the ancestors of any other metazoans? You forgot again.

OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into.. comb Jellyfish..("Living fossils")

They were diversifying, into all sorts of comb jellies. But as I just reminded you, they aren't the ancestors of any other kinds of animals. Would you like me to show you the genetic evidence for that, again? You seem really committed to the idea that humans evolved from comb jellies.

And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?

It's your belief. I would prefer to say you are mistaken, rather than call you "silly."

Why reject the much more PARSIMIOUS explanation that is found in the Bible?

The Bible doesn't say how the diversity of life was created. But as most Christians admit, evolution is completely consistent with God's word.
 
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Gish galloping isn’t really impressive Jim It just means that you’re not having your ideas tested by reality. At this point , because I’ve seen the same pseudoscience nonsense, so, so many times, creationist crap explanations are just verbiage . It’s like leaving the TV on for background noise . You hear it but you ignore it .
 
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because ignorance is NOT strength and pseudoscience can kill. Parsimonious or not Bronze Age pseudoscience was wrong and given our reliance on technology can get us killed. We just understand more of the universe than they did.

20th century medical breakthroughs were possible because we understand thoroughly that we are related to other organisms . Treatments for diabetes for example . When I was a kid they used to use pig and cow insulin in human diabetics because human insulin wasn’t readily available. If we weren’t related that wouldn’t have worked. Heart surgery techniques were originally done on dogs . If we weren’t related that wouldn’t have worked

. You can add antibiotics to that list . Early antibiotics like penicillin and streptomycin were found in fungi ( which were also related to) and adapted for human use.

Early live Vaccines used natural selection to get a weak non disease causing variety of the viruses . Smallpox and polio , one is gone the other partially eradicated. And smallpox vaccinations also used to use a close relative of the smallpox virus , cowpox, to confer immunity

prosthetic design even for other animals, advanced surgical techniques like reattaching limbs and digits etc etc etc . This is partially why I’m not giving back the scientific knowledge in favor of Bronze Age inaccuracies. The other reason is that I think it’s beautiful that everything that’s alive or formerly alive is my relative.
 
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"20th century medical breakthroughs were possible because we understand thoroughly that we are related to other organisms . Treatments for diabetes for example"


Here for starters is a common fallacy of equating Evolutionism with medicine (Proper Medicine is based upon the Empirical Scientific Method BTW) for example, those Antibiotics that your doctor gives you are Developed using OBSERVATION, TESTING, VERIFICATION, REPEATABILITY, FALSFIABLILITY ETC. (Clinical Trials, testing, research, controlled and uncontrolled variables, Etc..)

You are making a grave error by trying to smuggle the hypothetical hypothesis of Evolutionism (Abiogenesis followed by Darwinian common ancestor for all flora and fauna that ever existed on Earth) into the realm of EMPIRICAL science where it has no business being..

Abiogenesis / Darwinism is merely a religious belief of an old pagan religion of Godless Metaphysical Naturalism.

It has been dressed up as "Science" but has NOTHING to do with science whatsoever!! AT ALL!!

For something to qualify as "Science" (What we Know or What is Known) it MUST conform to the Scientific Method! Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism has ZERO and I mean ZERO bona fide Scientific Evidence to support it.. None, Nada, Nothing... I have asked hundreds of Scientists, Biologists, Geologists, Professors, and anyone else you can think of to provide some.... No one EVER can and guess what... Neither will you! And the reason why that is so is very simple... IT DOESNT EXIST..

Sorry sir, If Scientists and Medical research wasn't hampered due to false presuppositions of Evolutionism, man surely would have cured cancer by now!

Here is a web blog I opened looking for ANY evidence for Evolutionism.. so far ZERO takers!! Will YOU be the first?

SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT "EVOLUTION"?
 
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"Gish galloping isn’t really impressive Jim"

I'm not here to be "impressive" I am here to merely expose Satan's lie of Evolutionism and I do that just fine. These are your words..

"As far as the OP. I don’t feel the need for theistic evolution as it’s simply a fact."

I have conclusively shown that that is merely your belief. There is ZERO evidence to support it.


"It’s like leaving the TV on for background noise . You hear it but you ignore it "

No one is forcing you to respond to my posts.. Your choice, but if you want to continue to believe
in Evolutionism because its IMPLICATIONS happen to align with your philosophical worldview, I am
pretty much the last person on planet Earth you want to continue this conversation with.. Avoid me
like the plague.. your choice! Best wishes JT
 
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Jjim isn't actually speaking to you, here is merely copying and pasting statements that he had said many times before, often in a "bot-like" fashion.

See the comments here:
Dr. Kent Hovind Live Q&A - 2/14/20

"During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment (shallow coastal waters) at the same exact time, (500 MYA till now) while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into" -Jjim Thinnisen

"During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment at the same exact time, while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into"- Jay Degaldo

The exact same words. He's doing it over and over again. Some quotes even from years ago, as seen below.

He's not actually speaking to anyone, he's just doing "copy pasta"

Copypasta - Wikipedia
 
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Here it is again :
"Or are you claiming that YOU are the authority of how the Science Fiction of Darwin is supposed to be written and NOT The Scientists and Evolutionary Biologists from Vanderbilt and Wisconsin-Madison universities? LOL" -Jjim Thinnisen

The New Evolution Deniers - Quillette

""Or are you claiming that YOU are the authority of how the Science Fiction of Darwin is supposed to be written and NOT The Scientists and Evolutionary Biologists from Vanderbilt and Wisconsin-Madison universities? LOL"-blitzkrieg (year 2018)


The exact same words. He's doing it over and over again. Some quotes even from years ago, as seen below, across several websites (5-10?)

He's not actually speaking to anyone, he's just doing "copy pasta"

Copypasta - Wikipedia

But even worse, he's not even just quote mining, he's just pulling from a bank for years over and is just copying and pasting broad language across numerous websites.
 
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You're right about that. In this case, I think jJim is seeing a lot of stuff for the first time. And I can see that he's processing at least some of it. I believe it's worth hearing him out. And it doesn't hurt to have some of that put up here for inspection and compared to the evidence.

Some creationists are just out to be confrontational, but somehow, I don't think jJim is really like that.
 
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Darwin and his Wedgwood relatives were abolitionists . He also thought the technological differences in human populations was due mainly to education and culture . So let’s stop your disinformation right now. It’s not possible for 8 people to produce the current world population due to inbreeding. I’ve already mentioned that I don’t believe that biblical Adam and Eve story is an accurate history. The fact that ignorant racist people misuse evolution to justify racism is another good reason to not use pseudoscience ideas
 
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From your link:

"Millions of years later, those signals and receptors became the raw material for the nervous system. But its evolution, according to Moroz, took place in two separate lineages. One led to today's ctenophores. The other led to all other animals with nervous systems—from jellyfish to us.


If there was indeed a parallel evolution with two separate lineages, the split would have happened long ago. Fossils that look a lot like modern-day ctenophores date back some 550 million years, making them among the oldest traces of complex animal life."

Remember, that's exactly what I showed you many posts back. Ctenophores didn't give rise to other animals, but split off their own way very early.
 
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"Now THIS is the point where you are supposed to say that you were wrong and you are sorry for trying to pretend you know more about this subject than I do.. But.. It never happens because Evolutionists don't care about the truth".-Jjim Thinnisen

The New Evolution Deniers - Quillette

"Now THIS is the point where you are supposed to say that you were wrong and you are sorry for trying to pretend you know more about the subject than I do.. But.. It never happens because Evolutionists don’t care about the truth." -blitzking 2018
 
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