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Well, let's see what God says...
Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.
You think God is saying that Abraham and his family are not true? Seriously?
Sorry, I'd have to disagree with you. I don't see any reason to believe that any of them are allegories. Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
Cartoons generally aren't a good replacement for evidence and a cogent argument.
Just saying.
I seriously don’t intend to play games with you as I’ve seen this creationist crap pseudoscience for at least the last 25 years. You’re seriously misinformed about science subjects . I do understand that you’ve bumped into deliberate creationist disinformation and I don’t think it’s your fault but after 25 years it’s rather tiresome to deal with the same inaccurate and long refuted nonsense. Most if not all creationist science info are PRATTs"As far as the OP. I don’t feel the need for theistic evolution as it’s simply a fact."
What do you mean by Theistic? Because WHICHEVER "god" that would be the "god of evolution", Sure wouldn't be the Judeo Christian God of the Bible THATS for sure! (6) 24 hour days of creation leaves Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism OUT OF LUCK!! Like you say.. That is simply a FACT!
"Evolution is a fact."
I guess we get to play the dishonest Darwinian game of semantics.... Before we continue... YOU need to clarify what you mean SPECIFICALLY when you use the duplicitous and purposely vague term "Evolution".. DO YOU MEAN.. (1)... Variation, Adaptation, Speciation or ....De-volution?.. i.e. ..Finches beaks, Cave fish going blind, Moth colors, Weak bacteria lacking enzymes targeted by antibiotics, Dog ears, Mutated fruit flies with 2 WORTHLESS extra wings, Bear coats, Dog Ears and Squirrel tails? OR DO YOU MEAN ...(2)....Slow Microbe to Microbiologist (UCA for all flora and fauna over 3 BY) And DONT sit there and try to assert that #1 plus "deep time" leads to #2 as I will embarrass that silly assertion all over the internet..You will be required to put your cards on the table here.... I just KNOW you are going to enjoy this discussion with me... Cant you feel it too?
Cartoons generally aren't a good replacement for evidence and a cogent argument.
Just saying.
I seriously don’t intend to play games with you as I’ve seen this creationist crap pseudoscience for at least the last 25 years. You’re seriously misinformed about science subjects . I do understand that you’ve bumped into deliberate creationist disinformation and I don’t think it’s your fault but after 25 years it’s rather tiresome to deal with the same inaccurate and long refuted nonsense. Most if not all creationist science info are PRATTs
You seem to be getting more and more excited. You often drop your argument, just to vent your anger at me. Which is pretty pointless, because I mean you no harm, and have enjoyed our discussions.
Maybe if you just worked on the evidence, you'd do better. Worth a try?
I seriously don’t intend to play games with you as I’ve seen this creationist crap pseudoscience for at least the last 25 years. You’re seriously misinformed about science subjects . I do understand that you’ve bumped into deliberate creationist disinformation and I don’t think it’s your fault but after 25 years it’s rather tiresome to deal with the same inaccurate and long refuted nonsense. Most if not all creationist science info are PRATTs
So just so I can try to understand.. During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment (shallow coastal waters) at the same exact time, (500 MYA till now) while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans,
OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into.. comb Jellyfish..("Living fossils")
And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?
Why reject the much more PARSIMIOUS explanation that is found in the Bible?
because ignorance is NOT strength and pseudoscience can kill. Parsimonious or not Bronze Age pseudoscience was wrong and given our reliance on technology can get us killed. We just understand more of the universe than they did.So just so I can try to understand.. During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment (shallow coastal waters) at the same exact time, (500 MYA till now) while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into.. comb Jellyfish..("Living fossils") And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?
Why reject the much more PARSIMIOUS explanation that is found in the Bible?
because ignorance is NOT strength and pseudoscience can kill. Parsimonious or not Bronze Age pseudoscience was wrong and given our reliance on technology can get us killed. We just understand more of the universe than they did.
20th century medical breakthroughs were possible because we understand thoroughly that we are related to other organisms . Treatments for diabetes for example . When I was a kid they used to use pig and cow insulin in human diabetics because human insulin wasn’t readily available. If we weren’t related that wouldn’t have worked. Heart surgery techniques were originally done on dogs . If we weren’t related that wouldn’t have worked
. You can add antibiotics to that list . Early antibiotics like penicillin and streptomycin were found in fungi ( which were also related to) and adapted for human use.
Early live Vaccines used natural selection to get a weak non disease causing variety of the viruses . Smallpox and polio , one is gone the other partially eradicated. And smallpox vaccinations also used to use a close relative of the smallpox virus , cowpox, to confer immunity
prosthetic design even for other animals, advanced surgical techniques like reattaching limbs and digits etc etc etc . This is partially why I’m not giving back the scientific knowledge in favor of Bronze Age inaccuracies. The other reason is that I think it’s beautiful that everything that’s alive or formerly alive is my relative.
Gish galloping isn’t really impressive Jim It just means that you’re not having your ideas tested by reality. At this point , because I’ve seen the same pseudoscience nonsense, so, so many times, creationist crap explanations are just verbiage . It’s like leaving the TV on for background noise . You hear it but you ignore it .
So just so I can try to understand.. During the course of "500 Million Years" While Living in the same exact environment (shallow coastal waters) at the same exact time, (500 MYA till now) while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into.. comb Jellyfish..("Living fossils") And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?
Why reject the much more PARSIMIOUS explanation that is found in the Bible?
Remember you learned that comb jellies aren't the ancestors of any other metazoans? You forgot again.
They were diversifying, into all sorts of comb jellies. But as I just reminded you, they aren't the ancestors of any other kinds of animals. Would you like me to show you the genetic evidence for that, again? You seem really committed to the idea that humans evolved from comb jellies.
It's your belief. I would prefer to say you are mistaken, rather than call you "silly."
The Bible doesn't say how the diversity of life was created. But as most Christians admit, evolution is completely consistent with God's word.
"Remember you learned that comb jellies aren't the ancestors of any other metazoans? You forgot again."
Wow... You really don't know much about your OWN science fiction novel about Long Ago and Far Away do you!
Or are you claiming that YOU are the authority of how the Science Fiction of Darwin is supposed to be written and NOT The Scientists and Evolutionary Biologists from Vanderbilt and Wisconsin-Madison universities? LOL
Boffins discover origins of life on Earth – and we are all descended from JELLYFISH
Oh, while you are at it, please write a letter to the scientists from the University of Miami and the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI) in Maryland. Do me a favor and tell them to stop saying we descended from comb Jellyfish because YOU not only told me that their opinion doesn't count because YOU are the self proclaimed spokesman for the "Evolutionary Scientific Community" and YOU are the authority of how the SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL is supposed to be written...
Did humans descend from JELLYFISH? | Daily Mail Online
Uhm, since you are going to be sending lots of letters to Scientists and evolutionary biologists "correcting the record" for them you might as well include nuerobiologist Leonid Moroz and his colleagues at the university of Gainesville florida and tell them that YOU are the REAL Author of Darwins Fairytale// don't forget to INCLUDE YOUR DATA!!!!
Moroz and his colleagues have been studying comb jellies, whose scientific name is ctenophores (pronounced TEN-o-fors), for many years, beginning with the sequencing of the genome of one species, the Pacific sea gooseberry, in 2007. The sea gooseberry has 19,523 genes, about the same number as are found in the human genome.
Strange Findings on Comb Jellies Uproot Animal Family Tree
Now THIS is the point where you are supposed to say that you were wrong and you are sorry for trying to pretend you know more about this subject than I do.. But.. It never happens because Evolutionists don't care about the truth.
Gish galloping isn’t really impressive Jim It just means that you’re not having your ideas tested by reality. At this point , because I’ve seen the same pseudoscience nonsense, so, so many times, creationist crap explanations are just verbiage . It’s like leaving the TV on for background noise . You hear it but you ignore it .
Darwin and his Wedgwood relatives were abolitionists . He also thought the technological differences in human populations was due mainly to education and culture . So let’s stop your disinformation right now. It’s not possible for 8 people to produce the current world population due to inbreeding. I’ve already mentioned that I don’t believe that biblical Adam and Eve story is an accurate history. The fact that ignorant racist people misuse evolution to justify racism is another good reason to not use pseudoscience ideas"I happen to be black"
That makes your professed belief in evolutionism even MORE bizarre!!
The whole scam of Evolutionism was invented by Rich White Europeans
so they could pretend that they are a higher more evolved race! Darwin
was the one who got the credit but there were several others working on
the same "Planet of the Apes" fairytale... That way they could soothe their
conscience and would give them justification for their Racist behavior!
Surely you weren't aware of that, but you are now.. How do you think the
vile and disgusting term "Anthropomorphic Apes" came to be? Believe me
you don't want to know what it means... For a black person to defend
Satan's lie of Evolution seems like insanity to me, But whatever makes you
happy.. I just want people to STOP all of the lies that are being perpetrated
on the kids in biology class!! LETS STOP LYING TO THE KIDS!!
The full title of Darwin’s most famous work included some stark words: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Darwin envisioned the spontaneous formation of simple life evolving into higher forms through the pitiless forces of nature selecting the fittest.
Darwin demonstrated how he believed evolution shaped man in his subsequent book The Descent of Man. In it, he theorized that man, having evolved from apes, had continued evolving as various races, with some races more developed than others. Darwin classified his own white race as more advanced than those “lower organisms” such as pygmies, and he called different people groups “savage,” “low,” and “degraded.”
Darwin wasn’t the first to propose biological arguments for racism, but his works fueled the most ugly and deadly racism. Even evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould wrote, “Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory” (Ontogeny and Phylogeny, 1977).
Darwin’s error was later exposed through the field of genetics. What Darwin didn’t know was that people have the same brown-colored skin pigment called melanin. A person’s genetic makeup determines his potential to produce a certain level of melanin. That’s why we see a range of skin shades in people from light to middle brown to dark. Our differences are only skin deep.
Through an understanding of biblical history and genetics, we see that variations in human skin pigmentation are the result of reshuffling the genetic potential of Adam and Eve and later the eight people aboard the Ark. After the scattering at the Tower of Babel, groups of people became more isolated, allowing for concentration of certain variations within those groups. Thus the development of lighter or darker skin in certain demographic groups has nothing to do with molecules-to-man evolution, but only the decreased genetic potential for variation in isolated populations.
Darwin was wrong. Humans are not split into various races at higher and lower stages of evolution. The Bible makes it clear that God specially created mankind in His image. We are all descendants of Adam, “the first man” (1 Corinthians 15:45), and Eve, “the mother of all living” (Genesis 3:20). So only one race exists—the human race.
God, who made the world … has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord … Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead. (Acts 17:24, 26–27, 30–31)
No matter what your skin color or ethnic background, your critical need is the same as every other person’s: just like Adam, you have rebelled against your holy Creator and must appear before Him one day.
Thankfully, God will judge the world by the Lord Jesus who died on the Cross as the perfect substitute for sinners who turn to Him in repentance and faith. Jesus Christ’s Resurrection was God’s stamp of approval on His Son’s teachings and sacrificial death for our sin. Knowing this, we echo the words of Revelation 5:9, “For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.”
Moroz and his colleagues have been studying comb jellies, whose scientific name is ctenophores (pronounced TEN-o-fors), for many years, beginning with the sequencing of the genome of one species, the Pacific sea gooseberry, in 2007. The sea gooseberry has 19,523 genes, about the same number as are found in the human genome.
Strange Findings on Comb Jellies Uproot Animal Family Tree
Now THIS is the point where you are supposed to say that you were wrong and you are sorry for trying to pretend you know more about this subject than I do.. But.. It never happens because Evolutionists don't care about the truth.
From your link:
"Millions of years later, those signals and receptors became the raw material for the nervous system. But its evolution, according to Moroz, took place in two separate lineages. One led to today's ctenophores. The other led to all other animals with nervous systems—from jellyfish to us.
If there was indeed a parallel evolution with two separate lineages, the split would have happened long ago. Fossils that look a lot like modern-day ctenophores date back some 550 million years, making them among the oldest traces of complex animal life."
Remember, that's exactly what I showed you many posts back. Ctenophores didn't give rise to other animals, but split off their own way very early.
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