Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

Sevensong · Apr 7, 2015

Jennae said:
I have thought a lot about this in the night...lucky me has caught a stomach bug ugh.
I prayed a lot as well...I have often wondered why so many people are here who are not Christians. This forum is called Christian forums. I do not know the answer but I can speculate. Of course my speculations may be wrong as well.
I often wonder how many people lose faith by spending too much time here. (Which is probably a sad reality.).
However, if one person ...JUST ONE is given hope and seeks out God and is saved then it is worth it.
I don't like to get in senseless debates on this forum. I used to try to earnestly convince others of what is True. I have come to realize that it a useless pursuit. I have grown up in a Christian home and I have seen miracles...unbelievable ones...things I have seen with my own eyes...I could tell you stories and you wouldn't even believe me.
God is real. His Word is alive. There is a heaven. There is a hell. Life on this earth is short...each one of us have been created with a purpose.
My heart truely aches.
My purpose is to reach out to as many people as I can. I want people who meet me to see the sunshine and the hope I have. I want them to ask me...what gives you such hope? How do you live in this world with all its pain? What give you your hope and happiness? Why do you smile through your tears? I strive to be different. To be kind.
I strive to be like Jesus. I fail miserably everyday but I get up, dust myself off and keep trying.
My faith is strong, my hope is eternal.
I once heard it said...if a Christian is wrong, he will cease to exist and it won't matter. He would have lived a purposeful life and a life with honour. If an unbeliever is wrong, he will live forever regretting he didn't listen. Who has more to lose?
I would rather live my life in faith.

I'm not quite sure why this is posted in a thread titled "Why do you believe in evolution theory?" But what do you mean by "so many people are here who are not Christian"? I haven't been in this particular subforum very long (or on CF, for that matter), but the vast majority of posters seem to self-identify as Christian. Are you implying that they're not true Christians?

Or are you talking about posters who self-identify as atheists, agnostics, or seekers? They don't seem to be numerous enough to get alarmed about the matter, but I think it makes sense that there would be more of this latter group in subforums on science. I'm sure the motives for being here differ according to each individual. I'm sure some of them mean to proselytize.

But by your own admission, so do you.

lewiscalledhimmaster · Apr 7, 2015

Followers4christ said:
This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created.
The old thread automatically closed is here: "Why do you believe in the evolution theory?"

'I don't see a denial of evolution as a failure to think critically. It's a theory for a reason and just like everyone says I shouldn't just accept things from the bible without critical thinking people shouldn't accept theories as fact. Micro evolution makes sense and is factual but the theory of evolution is not. Evolution is nothing more then a flawed theory. I've never seen a half monkey half man.... And where's that missing link again??? It can't be fact if it's not proven.

So if you believe in evolution tell us why.' Original O.P. by Followers4Christ

'....JEFFREY BROWN: In the Cobb County, Georgia case, school officials had stickers placed in biology textbooks that said evolution is a theory, not a fact. In January, a federal judge ordered the stickers removed.
EUGENIE SCOTT: Whats a theory? ....'*

* Teachers, Parents Grapple with Evolution-Creationism Debate

Davian · Apr 7, 2015

lewiscalledhimmaster said:
You weren't.

Yes, I was.

lewiscalledhimmaster said:
You assume that it is personal opinion, it is simply not within the realm of scientific methodology.

No, I assume it to be personal opinion until demonstrated otherwise, by whatever appropriate method, or backed with an appropriate citation.

lewiscalledhimmaster said:
Discussing the validity of sacred texts, the content of sacred texts and the evidence presented in them and secular texts, involve other disciplines.

The subject was not ancient texts; it was what she believes as being true being referred to as true. It is simply special pleading - fallacious even when used for the purposes of religion.

Special pleading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Davian · Apr 7, 2015

lewiscalledhimmaster said:

Very good, but still a comfort blanket.

Paul of Eugene OR · Apr 7, 2015

lewiscalledhimmaster said:
'I don't see a denial of evolution as a failure to think critically. It's a theory for a reason and just like everyone says I shouldn't just accept things from the bible without critical thinking people shouldn't accept theories as fact. Micro evolution makes sense and is factual but the theory of evolution is not. Evolution is nothing more then a flawed theory. I've never seen a half monkey half man.... And where's that missing link again??? It can't be fact if it's not proven.

So if you believe in evolution tell us why.' Original O.P. by Followers4Christ

'....JEFFREY BROWN: In the Cobb County, Georgia case, school officials had stickers placed in biology textbooks that said “evolution is a theory, not a fact.” In January, a federal judge ordered the stickers removed.
EUGENIE SCOTT: What’s a theory? ....'*

* Teachers, Parents Grapple with Evolution-Creationism Debate

The above claim that it is perfectly reasonable to discount the scientific evidence for evolution was written by a human with vestigial digits on his feet; in addition he has vestigial ear wiggling muscles; he has an internal vestige of a tail (the coccyx); he has vestigial hair raising muscles on the hairs of his arms; all of which is evidence that in his evolutionary past he is descended from species that could grasp with the hind limbs, had a tail, had fur, and could turn the ears towards sound.

But he still denies evolution.

crjmurray · Apr 7, 2015

Paul of Eugene OR said:
The above claim that it is perfectly reasonable to discount the scientific evidence for evolution was written by a human with vestigial digits on his feet; in addition he has vestigial ear wiggling muscles; he has an internal vestige of a tail (the coccyx); he has vestigial hair raising muscles on the hairs of his arms; all of which is evidence that in his evolutionary past he is descended from species that could grasp with the hind limbs, had a tail, had fur, and could turn the ears towards sound.

But he still denies evolution.

I hope you are not referring to Lewis. He is not the OP and to my understanding he has a pretty good grasp of evolution and he accepts it.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

Loudmouth said:
I am still waiting for and ID/creationist proponent to explain the nested hierarchy.

Why? You are the only one that has the mistaken belief that ID can't provide a man made classification system.

Paul of Eugene OR · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
I hope you are not referring to Lewis. He is not the OP and to my understanding he has a pretty good grasp of evolution and he accepts it.

Well, his post had this in it . . .

Micro evolution makes sense and is factual but the theory of evolution is not.

and i assumed he was the author of that.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
That's a pretty insulting way to look down on the people that don't belong to your particular group.

Seriously? How is it insulting to look at a point of view that claims there is no afterlife or hope of one and feeling that is sad? That is not nearly as insulting as calling people who happen to belong to that group delusional, holding on to primitive beliefs and living their lives according to a dusty 2,000 year old book written by illiterate shepherds?

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

lewiscalledhimmaster said:
As I've spent most of my time on this forum, examining the evidence which relates to Evolution : (a) Lines of Evidence, (b) Flood Geology, (c) Lines of Evidence (2) and currently (d) The Scientific Method & Macroevolution, I'd be interested to know what evidence of life evolving you don't find the most convincing?

This is generally non-informative. I was looking for specifics.

I've always accepted evolution. When I became a Christian my worldview merged and I could see design in the process where I didn't see it before. Science has always been integral part of my life and biological studies a passion.

I find it curious that one that comes from a YEC starting point to the point you are now must have come about by some dramatic convincing evidence to change that view.

crjmurray · Apr 7, 2015

Oncedeceived said:
Seriously? How is it insulting to look at a point of view that claims there is no afterlife or hope of one and feeling that is sad? That is not nearly as insulting as calling people who happen to belong to that group delusional, holding on to primitive beliefs and living their lives according to a dusty 2,000 year old book written by illiterate shepherds?

It's insulting because when people say things like that it's very obvious that they see themselves as so superior to us lowly nonbelievers. And for the record I've never made a comment similar to your dusty primitive shepherd example.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
It's insulting because when people say things like that it's very obvious that they see themselves as so superior to us lowly nonbelievers. And for the record I've never made a comment similar to your dusty primitive shepherd example.

You see I don't think that was indicated by her post.

If you have not made demeaning posts to Christians then it doesn't apply to you. It most certainly does to others on the board. If the show doesn't fit don't wear it.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
It's insulting because when people say things like that it's very obvious that they see themselves as so superior to us lowly nonbelievers. And for the record I've never made a comment similar to your dusty primitive shepherd example.

I did post a personal question to you. Did you see it?

crjmurray · Apr 7, 2015

Oncedeceived said:
You see I don't think that was indicated by her post.

If you have not made demeaning posts to Christians then it doesn't apply to you. It most certainly does to others on the board. If the show doesn't fit don't wear it.

Don't address me about things I haven't done.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
Don't address me about things I haven't done.

First of all I was addressing your accusation about the poster being insulting, which was addressing you. The other part was about what insulting remarks Christians get all the time. I didn't claim you made those remarks in my post at all.

crjmurray · Apr 7, 2015

Oncedeceived said:
First of all I was addressing your accusation about the poster being insulting, which was addressing you. The other part was about what insulting remarks Christians get all the time. I didn't claim you made those remarks in my post at all.

You don't get to throw around vague accusations and play innocent when someone points it out.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
You don't get to throw around vague accusations and play innocent when someone points it out.

You have my post, everyone can see that I didn't accuse you of any insulting remarks. I addressed the issue from your remark and added that Christians see very real and demeaning posts all the time. You really need to differentiate between comments to or about you from comments that speak generally. I know it is hard on a forum to sense the difference, but I pointed out that I wasn't implying it was you that made those statements.

crjmurray · Apr 7, 2015

Oncedeceived said:
You have my post, everyone can see that I didn't accuse you of any insulting remarks. I addressed the issue from your remark and added that Christians see very real and demeaning posts all the time. You really need to differentiate between comments to or about you from comments that speak generally. I know it is hard on a forum to sense the difference, but I pointed out that I wasn't implying it was you that made those statements.

That's the advantage of being passive aggressive.

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

crjmurray said:
That's the advantage of being passive aggressive.

Interesting. So I am passively aggressive according to you because I felt the poster you were accusing of being insulting didn't deserve it or because I commented on the often stated insults against believers?

Oncedeceived · Apr 7, 2015

Artemis97 I was wondering if you were going to answer my post to you?

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