Why Do We Not Use The Name Of God YHVH?

FredVB · Jan 28, 2016

Fireinfolding said:
God having sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, by whom (in that adoption) we would cry Abba, Father no?(Romans 8:15 & Gal 4:6) And every tongue confessing that Jesus Christ is Lord is to the very glory of God the Father in the same right? Afterall the LORD before made him to be so for us (Isaiah 55:4 & John 5:37, Psalms 110:1, Mark 12:36, Acts 2:36, John 13:13, Isaiah 8:18 & 2 Cr 5:18 ) and so by the Spirit of Jesus Christ (which is the name given unto men under heaven) we are to call the LORD (His Father) Mat 22:45 Our Father (Luke 11:2) as he instructed us. Even as Jesus said he ascended unto His Father and our Father (John 20:17, Acts 2:34 the fulfilment of Psalm 110:1) Whereas in relation to Jesus Christ (by whom) we come unto the LORD (we now call Father) as His children (Isaiah 8:18) by Jesus Christ (confirmed again in Heb 2:13) Jesus becomes our commander (Isaiah 55:4) Who the Father made Lord (Acts 2:36) the firstbegotton from the dead, being the firstborn among many brethren. Just as he tells Mary, "Go tell my brethren" where he is ascending to, he states, unto my Father and your Father even as it also says in Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth (even Jesus Christ) and they who are sanctified are all of one (even all of one God, even the Father, by the one Spirit) for which cause he is not ashamed to "call them brethren". The same in Mat 25:40, Hebrews 2:12, Ephes 1:5, Ephes 2:18 and elsewhere.

Fireinfolding, I don't know what your post is responding to, it wasn't shown, but as you posted right after me, if it was response to my post, were you thinking I don't understand those things in the same way? I haven't said things otherwise, anywhere. But while those things are the case, is what is said in Exodus 3:15, for the name, made to be not right for us? I don't see that at all. You are not saying that, are you?

Fireinfolding · Jan 28, 2016

FredVB said:
Fireinfolding, I don't know what your post is responding to, it wasn't shown, but as you posted right after me, if it was response to my post, were you thinking I don't understand those things in the same way? I haven't said things otherwise, anywhere. But while those things are the case, is what is said in Exodus 3:15, for the name, made to be not right for us? I don't see that at all. You are not saying that, are you?

I was just responding to the OP FredVB not to anyone.

I dont know what you are asking me though, so I cant help you there

FredVB · May 8, 2016

Fireinfolding said:
I was just responding to the OP FredVB not to anyone.
I dont know what you are asking me though, so I cant help you there

Well, that answered in part. Indeed we or any can't be right with Yahweh God without faith, that would be with Jesus Christ coming to make it possible, and it is through him. Jesus is indispensable for this, none can be right with rejecting him. Yet as we are called to remember Yahweh even with it his name, as there is scripture passages for that, it shouldn't be dismissed.

Mark51 · Jun 1, 2016

I can sense you frustration to the replies. The man-instituted doctrine of a “trinity” will never be been explained because it is contrary to accurate understanding of the Bible. In the book of Matthew alone there are about 45 scriptures that do not support a trinity concept.

Yes, you are correct in the fact that in the original Hebrew writings, the name of the only true and living God was written with 4 consonants: YHWH or JHVH. Such consonants appear almost 7,000 times throughout the Bible.

This identifying name is a form of a Hebrew verb (ha wah’ meaning “to become,” and actually signifies “He causes to Become.” Thus God’s name identifies him as the One who progressively fulfills his promises and unfailingly realizes his purposes.

The most common pronunciation used in English is Jehovah and Yahweh. However, Jehovah is a more common and preferred pronunciation.

Regardless of which name is used, the important thing is to use it because a title such as Lord, God, Eternal and so forth are not personal and distinctive. Keep in mind that Satan is a “god” and Jesus used his father’s name and made it known/manifest. (John 17:6: 2 Corinthians 4:4) His name was certainly pronounced during Jesus’ time on earth and probably up to 70 CE when the temple was destroyed. Do we not we pray that His name be sanctified or hallowed?-Matthew 6:9.

Shempster · Jun 1, 2016

"Yah" is my favorite name for Him. See, the thing is that if we really have Christ in us and have overcome the world, the flesh and the devil then He is not terribly concerned with what name you use.

pat34lee · Jun 3, 2016

Wgw said:
Now, within Christianity we do of course routinely refer to God by name (Jesus Christ).

Actually, it's Yeshua or Yashua, same as the leader after Moses.

nothead · Jun 4, 2016

Because Jesus called YHWH "the Father?"

Just guessing.

nothead · Jun 4, 2016

pat34lee said:
Actually, it's Yeshua or Yashua, same as the leader after Moses.

YEHsha or YAHshuah? You don't know the vowel point? How discriminating do you want to get anyhow? REAL discriminating? IF you are disCRIMINating you would know the actual pronunciation. Otherwise JEESUZ will suffice.

nothead · Jun 4, 2016

Shempster said:
"Yah" is my favorite name for Him. See, the thing is that if we really have Christ in us and have overcome the world, the flesh and the devil then He is not terribly concerned with what name you use.

Yah you wrong more times than one, sir. No one EVER called Jesus YAH. YAH my PATOOTY.

ripple the car · Jun 6, 2016

I just call God "Father", or "Abba, Father", or "Only God". I have no idea how to pronounce Yod-Hay-Vav-Hay in Hebrew properly, and assume that if Christ teaches us to call His God and Father "Father", that's a good Name for Him. It's super easy to debate Hebrew pronunciations. It's not even clear that Jesus' name would have been pronounced "Yeshua" in the Aramaic of His day. Eastern Aramaic today tends to favor "Isho", but historically I've also seen "Yeshu", "Ishu", "Yishu", and "Yesu". If thousands of people call on Him for salvation anually and He responds just as well to "Lord Jesus Christ" as He does to "Rabi Yeshua Mashiakh", I don't see any reason to stop calling Him by His modern, Anglicized name's version if that's always how you've described Him. You know? I've even heard stories of Muslims being called to follow a shining, kindly, holy Man in White who identifies Himself as "Isa" who died for them, and who assures them that if they follow Him, He will give them eternal life.

SteveCaruso · Jun 6, 2016

Aramaic points of order:

pat34lee said:
Yeshua or Yashua

nothead said:
YEHsha or YAHshuah?

"Yashua" is a pronunciation that has no basis in Hebrew or Aramaic phonology. It's a recent invention of the greater Sacred Name Movement, and is no more than about 15 years old. It's an attempt to shoehorn "Yah" into Jesus' name. (They didn't have shoehorns in Jesus' era either... ;-) )

Gracia Singh said:
It's not even clear that Jesus' name would have been pronounced "Yeshua" in the Aramaic of His day.

It's fairly clear that it was either /yešua‘/ or more likely /yəšua‘/ in the Galilean/JPA subfamily, and other Western dialects.

However, it's also fairly well understood that practically zero of his early Greek followers could pronounce it precisely since Koine Greek phonology lacked /š/ and /‘/ (much like how someone who only speaks Japanese cannot distinguish between /r/ and /l/) so arguing over what he would "answer to" is a bit misguided.

nothead · Jun 6, 2016

SteveCaruso said:
Aramaic points of order:

"Yashua" is a pronunciation that has no basis in Hebrew or Aramaic phonology. It's a recent invention of the greater Sacred Name Movement, and is no more than about 15 years old. It's an attempt to shoehorn "Yah" into Jesus' name. (They didn't have shoehorns in Jesus' era either... ;-) )

It's fairly clear that it was either /yešua‘/ or more likely /yəšua‘/ in the Galilean/JPA subfamily, and other Western dialects.

However, it's also fairly well understood that practically zero of his early Greek followers could pronounce it precisely since Koine Greek phonology lacked /š/ and /‘/ (much like how someone who only speaks Japanese cannot distinguish between /r/ and /l/) so arguing over what he would "answer to" is a bit misguided.

You should know, being a Hebrew language scholar. AND commonsensical in my experience.

So then what you think about OUR pronunciation, sir? Is JESUZ pertinent as the "name above all names?"

nothead · Jun 6, 2016

Gracia Singh said:
I just call God "Father", or "Abba, Father", or "Only God". I have no idea how to pronounce Yod-Hay-Vav-Hay in Hebrew properly, and assume that if Christ teaches us to call His God and Father "Father", that's a good Name for Him. It's super easy to debate Hebrew pronunciations. It's not even clear that Jesus' name would have been pronounced "Yeshua" in the Aramaic of His day. Eastern Aramaic today tends to favor "Isho", but historically I've also seen "Yeshu", "Ishu", "Yishu", and "Yesu". If thousands of people call on Him for salvation anually and He responds just as well to "Lord Jesus Christ" as He does to "Rabi Yeshua Mashiakh", I don't see any reason to stop calling Him by His modern, Anglicized name's version if that's always how you've described Him. You know? I've even heard stories of Muslims being called to follow a shining, kindly, holy Man in White who identifies Himself as "Isa" who died for them, and who assures them that if they follow Him, He will give them eternal life.

You are right on. Jesus called YHWH "Father" so you cannot go wrong.

YHWH is no longer pronounced, rendered unto text, or even THOUGHT out loud. Only one time per year by the holy high priest during Passover when they HAD the Temple of Jerusalem. Even Jesus apparently never PRONOUNCED this most holy and SACRED name. HASHEM is the Jew way now. The Memra, The Word, The Adonai were historically REPLACEMENT names. And Jesus brought to fore a NEW and INTIMATE name for a reason. Abba, Father is the New Covenant name of YHWH. YHWH is no longer even known firstly as the INEFFABLE God, rather the God with a GRACIOUS FACE unto his own.

Although I personally believe "YHWH" is STILL his definitive name. "A memorial to all generations, to the ages of the ages."
I just cannot PRONOUNCE it in prayer or supplication since this is now anathema. Neither CAN I pronounce it with confidence this is the ancient way.

SteveCaruso · Jun 6, 2016

nothead said:
Is JESUZ pertinent as the "name above all names?"

"Jesus" /dʒizəs/ is simply the natural progression from the Aramaic ישוע /yəšua‘/, through the Greek ιησους /iēsūs/, through the Latin iesus /iesūs/, through the German Jesus /yēsūs/, through the Early English Jesus /yisū(s)/ or /yizū(s)/ into the Modern English Jesus /dʒizəs/.

nothead · Jun 6, 2016

SteveCaruso said:
"Jesus" /dʒizəs/ is simply the natural progression from the Aramaic ישוע /yəšua‘/, through the Greek ιησους /iēsūs/, through the Latin iesus /iesūs/, through the German Jesus /yēsūs/, through the Early English Jesus /yisū(s)/ or /yizū(s)/ into the Modern English Jesus /dʒizəs/.

But is it cool to say or not?

People call me JORG. But I am not offended when they call me HORHAY. Sometimes I am tickled.

And most of all, I know they mean ME and no one else. Although there were others named Jesus in the Bible, or whichever pronunciation you render, since I cannot discern what them chicken scratches are...the name above all names is mainly a specific identity expressed. And the English pronunciation is okay by me since Jesus and his God KNOWS whom you are speaking of.

ripple the car · Jun 6, 2016

I don't see how it wouldn't be cool, man. He certainly responds to it. It's the same divine Person no matter how you pronounce or emphasize His Name. The French say "Gesu", correct?

nothead said:
But is it cool to say or not?

People call me JORG. But I am not offended when they call me HORHAY. Sometimes I am tickled.

And most of all, I know they mean ME and no one else. Although there were others named Jesus in the Bible, or whichever pronunciation you render, since I cannot discern what them chicken scratches are...the name above all names is mainly a specific identity expressed. And the English pronunciation is okay by me since Jesus and his God KNOWS whom you are speaking of.

nothead · Jun 6, 2016

Gracia Singh said:
I don't see how it wouldn't be cool, man. He certainly responds to it. It's the same divine Person no matter how you pronounce or emphasize His Name. The French say "Gesu", correct?

Yup, we are in agreement. Steve won't say since em I dunno. I do value his opinions however. And I THINK we are in alignment although I am not SURE on this issue at least. Seems like he is saying there are two likely options for the true pronunciation. Out of respect we might naturally want to use the one most authentic IF we knew which one. And using BOTH in sequence hoping ONE is valid is just...plain...awkward. Possibly offensive.

ripple the car · Jun 6, 2016

I sense that so long as we're not intentionally trying to mock or badly pronounce any of His name's pronunciations, we're ok.

nothead said:
Yup, we are in agreement. Steve won't say since em I dunno. I do value his opinions however. And I THINK we are in alignment although I am not SURE on this issue at least. Seems like he is saying there are two likely options for the true pronunciation. Out of respect we might naturally want to use the one most authentic IF we knew which one. And using BOTH in sequence hoping ONE is valid is just...plain...awkward. Possibly offensive.

nothead · Jun 6, 2016

Gracia Singh said:
I sense that so long as we're not intentionally trying to mock or badly pronounce any of His name's pronunciations, we're ok.

Ah, you didn't like JEEZUS. That's all righty. Sounds like a swear word when I typed it. I can see that.

That is how we say it though. I don't pray using that spelling.

FredVB · Jul 30, 2016

Shempster said:
"Yah" is my favorite name. He is not terribly concerned with what name you use.

No? Yet,
God said, "Say, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.'. This is my name forever, and this is to remember for all generations."
Exodus 3 verse 15

Wgw said:
Now, within Christianity we do of course routinely refer to God by name (Jesus Christ).

We refer to the Son by the name of Jesus, with this name it is not for including the heavenly Father. With the name originally given there would be that inclusion.

pat34lee said:
Actually, it's Yeshua or Yashua, same as the leader after Moses.

It is Yeshua, or the full name Yehoshua, which was the name of the leader after Moses.

nothead said:
Because Jesus called YHWH "the Father?"

He called the heavenly Father his Father, and his Father was to be the heavenly Father to his followers. He went about making the name known, he certainly then used the name, "the Father" wasn't the name. We also can know, from the baptism that is said there should be for believers, there is the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit of God.

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