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Is that a good reason not to come to Christ for salvation?I've seen it too. Not quite as much recently, but definitely during the time of "Satanic panic". Ignorance at its finest, I suppose.
Is that a good reason not to come to Christ for salvation?
As I asked Andy, who seems to be in fear of "Christians" coming after him if he converts,* but stays a witch:It might be, depending on whose version of "Christ" they would be coming to and how a particular religious group that may be involved defines "salvation". I believe the true Christ extends grace, not a hammer. The gospel is *good* news, not threats and coercion and fear, and yet that's the (false) Christ that many have sadly experienced.
As I asked Andy, who seems to be in fear of "Christians" coming after him if he converts,* but stays a witch:
Figure that one out!
As I asked Andy, who seems to be in fear of "Christians" coming after him if he converts,* but stays a witch:
The objects of his fears would still come after him, whether he converts or not; would they not?
* He uses this to justify his fear:
Exodus 22:18 ESV: “You shall not permit a sorceress to live."
Even though he, himself, isn't a sorceress.
Figure that one out!
I agree. It’s just a word that gets sprinkled on top of things that means “We have no idea how that happened.”Emergent things are simply flim-flam.
Chemistry and biology have no means to explain it, the very rules of chemistry & biology don’t even allow for such an explanation to be given. But the very act of believing in a thing is to make an appeal to an emergent phenomena that transcends a physical explanation of brain matter that morphs from one physical state into another. Saying the words “Emergent mind” has no explanatory scope beyond a correspondence to a mind that we can match up with test subjects that when they tell us that they think or feel ‘C’, at that same time the brain matter does ‘X’. Our basis for believing in the merit of this experiment is that we ourselves have experiences so we know that they are real, and an inference that therefore other Humans do as well.An emergent thing is chemistry and biology in human brains. Without the brains that believe in emergent things there are no emergent things.
Perhaps, but the key point is that even with their advanced science they are limited to “Imagining” their conclusions about what “Emerges” from physical matter, because for us to be required to cover up our physical explanations by enhancing them with the empty word of Emergence is to point to there being a non-physical aspect to reality that coexists with the physical.Alien minds looking at the same physical things would likely imagine very different emergent things as approximations and conveniences in their thinking.
Dualism, Materialism, Idealism...all of these people are in agreement about the correspondence between brain states and mental events, they however disagree about the explanation of the correspondence. The correspondence is the data that we have, the interpretation is the explanation of the data of correspondence that we have. This conclusion that you are giving seems like it’s rebelling against what counts as correspondence, and inventing a correspondence where is doesn’t exist.So there isn't much difference between humans and computers except that humans have been evolving for millions of years and computers have only had a few decades. Soon they will surpass us and put us in nature reserves.
You want to wear the badge (witch, pagan, neopagan, whatever), but you don't want to earn it.
No going skyclad, no offering sacrifices, no curses, no threefold retribution, no augury, no anything I bring up.
But when it comes to Christianity, you find some obscure verse in some translation that is supposed to spark fear in people, and use that as an excuse not to come to Christ.
You can sit in your meadows and let birds sing to you all the rest of your life, for all I care; but when you post online against Christianity, you can neither defend your craft, nor counter our arguments.
You don't know the difference between a witch and a true witch, you don't know what beaconing the demonic world is ... what do you know?
This is a great point.From a Christian perspective, one could turn the question around and ask, "Why is there need for the resurrection if the spirit/soul survives death?".
It makes the SciFi lover in me get excited to think about how the body could be an upgrade, it’s not hard at all to imagine an upgrade to our current bodies.The idea of a disembodied spirit is more Greek (Plato) than Christian. Once we approach the OP question from a specifically Christian perspective, we can say that the divine intention is that the whole person, i.e. body & spirit, are to always be united. Does the resurrected body have a brain? I don't know, but my intuition is that the resurrected person is what endures in the afterlife and not just the spirit.
One thing I think about is possible body transfer, based on thinking about it from a Biblical angle due to some of the stories. When an angel takes bodily form on Earth and is physical, did the angel switch over from “Non-physical mind plus non-physical body” into “Non-physical mind plus physical body” somehow? As if to change a suit? It’s speculation of course but how do you think that might work...like getting dressed in Superman’s crystal chamber in the Fortress of Solitude lol? If there are different realms that can’t be detected, then it seems possible that there would also be bodies of some ontological kind in that realm (so that thinking about someone’s spirit being in a non-physical realm doesn’t mean that they aren’t still required to be embodied).To think in more Platonic terms of a disembodied spirit lends itself to a denigration of the body. But, of course, the Incarnation gives dignity to the whole person, body & spirit. Since the whole person was assumed by the Incarnation, the faith is that the whole person is redeemed and endures post-resurrection.
Well I hope we don't part on bad terms.Just because someone believed something thousands of years ago does not mean I am obligated to believe in it, too. That's your religion.
It’s speculation of course but how do you think that might work...like getting dressed in Superman’s crystal chamber in the Fortress of Solitude lol? If there are different realms that can’t be detected, then it seems possible that there would also be bodies of some ontological kind in that realm (so that thinking about someone’s spirit being in a non-physical realm doesn’t mean that they aren’t still required to be embodied
I apologize for my curtness and offer a handshake of friendship.That would be a shame.
I apologize for my curtness and offer a handshake of friendship.
But please realize, I'm passionate about where I believe the Bible says you're going, and don't want that to happen.
No ... I guess I won't.I understand, but that's not your call to make so hopefully you're not losing any sleep over it.
Likewise.Sorry.
I'll bow out now.
"Emergent things are simply flim-flam. "Emergent things are simply flim-flam. An emergent thing is chemistry and biology in human brains. Without the brains that believe in emergent things there are no emergent things. Alien minds looking at the same physical things would likely imagine very different emergent things as approximations and conveniences in their thinking.
So there isn't much difference between humans and computers except that humans have been evolving for millions of years and computers have only had a few decades. Soon they will surpass us and put us in nature reserves (if they keep us around for anything at all).
Its absolutely possible for a programmer to write a program that behaves in ways they didn't expect or realize, but there are methodologies and tools around to help so this doesn't happen if one wants to do a quality product.I had a feeling that it was a bad example. And maybe I’m just wrong, all I’m going by is that I vaguely recall hearing that programmers have now lost the ability to keep track of what their own programs do. Maybe it was just misinformation that I heard. Feel free to straighten me out on this lol.
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