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Why do we inherit sin?
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Who's to say we do? 
"Original Sin" is not a Jewish consideration; therefore, Y'shua, the Apostles, and first-century believers probably did not hold to this consideration.
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"Original Sin" is not a Jewish consideration; therefore, Y'shua, the Apostles, and first-century believers probably did not hold to this consideration.
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I don't see how we could inherit sin. That would mean that sin is a genetic deformity that could be healed aprt from Jesus shedding His blood on the cross.
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Hello theotherguy.
"Why do we inherit sin?"
Because Adam sinned and we are made in his likeness. He was the mould from which all men are made. It is important we are born sinners due to Adam.
"Who's to say we do?"
David for one muffler, " PS 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." A Jew.
"I don't see how we could inherit sin."
You can inherit by coming into possession of it as in a legacy or gift. But this is not to do solely with our genes, it is primarily spiritual. Adam died spiritually when he took the fruit and this is a separation from God. All men are born in this condition.
johnp.
"Why do we inherit sin?"
Because Adam sinned and we are made in his likeness. He was the mould from which all men are made. It is important we are born sinners due to Adam.
"Who's to say we do?"
David for one muffler, " PS 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." A Jew.
"I don't see how we could inherit sin."
You can inherit by coming into possession of it as in a legacy or gift. But this is not to do solely with our genes, it is primarily spiritual. Adam died spiritually when he took the fruit and this is a separation from God. All men are born in this condition.
johnp.
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Are you saying that a spiritual "condition" is inherited? Then why aren't children of christians automatically christians?
As far as Ps 51:5 - that verse is not saying that all mankind, from the time of Ablel on, have been born sinners due to Adam's sin.
Psalm 51:5 - "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." KJV
This is a Hebrew poetic parallelism, with the second line of the verse saying the same thing as the first line in a slightly different way. The first verb, of which David is the subject, is in the Pulal tense (as is "made" in # Job 15:7 ), which is an idiom used to refer to creation or origins, and is the 'passive' form of Polel ("formed": # Ps 90:2 Pro 26:10 ). TWOT, #623, 1:270.
The subject of this verse is NOT the state or constitution of David's nature as a sinner at, or before, his birth. The subject is, as the verse clearly states, the `circumstances' of his conception- the sexual union which produced him was an act of sin, and addresses the unrighteousness of his mother's act, not anything (such as a sin nature) inherent within himself. (The NIV's version of this verse is an INTERPRETATION, not a translation: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.")
David had two half-sisters (Zeruiah, Abigail).....:
1CHR 2:13-16 13 And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third, 14 Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth, 15 Ozem the sixth, David the seventh: 16 Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three. 17 And Abigail bare Amasa: and the father of Amasa was Jether the Ishmeelite.
....and the father of David's half-sisters was not Jesse, but Nahash:
2Sam 17:25 And Absalom made Amasa captain of the host instead of Joab: which Amasa was a man's son, whose name was Ithra an Israelite, that went in to Abigail the daughter of Nahash, sister to Zeruiah Joab's mother.
Nahash, the father of Zeruiah and Abigal, David's half-sisters, was an Ammonite king:
1Sam 11:1 Then Nahash the Ammonite came up, and encamped against Jabeshgilead: and all the men of Jabesh said unto Nahash, Make a covenant with us, and we will serve thee.
1Sam 12:12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.
David's father was Jesse, not Nahash. Zeruiah and Abigal were David's half-sisters through his mother's previous marriage to Nahash. This would also help explain why Nahash showed kindness to David, perhaps out of respect for David's mother, Nahashs former wife and the mother of two of Nahash's children.
2Sam 10:2 Then said David, I will shew kindness unto Hanun the son of Nahash, as his father shewed kindness unto me. And David sent to comfort him by the hand of his servants for his father. And David's servants came into the land of the children of Ammon.
David's mother was most likely the second wife of Jesse, the first wife being the mother of David's half-brothers. Jesses first wife's standing before the 'righteousness of the law', (her not having been married to, or the concubine of, a heathen king, as was Davids mother), would have been superior to that of David's mother, and explains why David's half-brothers, Jesse's other sons, would have felt they were superior to David, and why he would be accused of being prideful, for thinking he was as good as them....
1Sam 17:28-30 28 And Eliab his eldest brother heard when he spake unto the men; and Eliab's anger was kindled against David, and he said, Why camest thou down hither? and with whom hast thou left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know thy pride, and the naughtiness of thine heart; for thou art come down that thou mightest see the battle. 29 And David said, What have I now done? Is there not a cause? 30 And he turned from him toward another, and spake after the same manner: and the people answered him again after the former manner.
...and why David was not considered, by his father Jesse, as `true' a son as his half-brothers. Samuel had called Jesse and his sons, and thus expected `all' his sons, to the sacrifice (1Sam 16:5,11). Jesse, having been told to bring `his sons' by a prophet of the Lord everyone feared (1Sam 16:4), was confident he had obeyed the prophet, even knowing he did not bring David....
1Sam 16:11 And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he keepeth the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither.
....which would be consistent with God's sometimes choosing that which men esteemed as worthless (the `least') to be the greatest: (Gideon- Jud 6:15; King Saul- 1Sam 9:21; Jesus- Mt 2:6, Lk 9:48)
David's mother was apparently a Jewish woman, because `no Ammonite shall enter the congregation of the Lord to the 10th generation (Deu 23:3), and yet in PS 86:16 and PS 116:16, David refers to himself as "the son of thy handmaid", which would seem to testify to his mother's relationship with the Lord. David's mother was, in the eyes of Jewish law, considered `defiled' by her previous relationship to an Ammonite.
As far as Ps 51:5 - that verse is not saying that all mankind, from the time of Ablel on, have been born sinners due to Adam's sin.
Psalm 51:5 - "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." KJV
This is a Hebrew poetic parallelism, with the second line of the verse saying the same thing as the first line in a slightly different way. The first verb, of which David is the subject, is in the Pulal tense (as is "made" in # Job 15:7 ), which is an idiom used to refer to creation or origins, and is the 'passive' form of Polel ("formed": # Ps 90:2 Pro 26:10 ). TWOT, #623, 1:270.
The subject of this verse is NOT the state or constitution of David's nature as a sinner at, or before, his birth. The subject is, as the verse clearly states, the `circumstances' of his conception- the sexual union which produced him was an act of sin, and addresses the unrighteousness of his mother's act, not anything (such as a sin nature) inherent within himself. (The NIV's version of this verse is an INTERPRETATION, not a translation: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.")
David had two half-sisters (Zeruiah, Abigail).....:
1CHR 2:13-16 13 And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third, 14 Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth, 15 Ozem the sixth, David the seventh: 16 Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three. 17 And Abigail bare Amasa: and the father of Amasa was Jether the Ishmeelite.
....and the father of David's half-sisters was not Jesse, but Nahash:
2Sam 17:25 And Absalom made Amasa captain of the host instead of Joab: which Amasa was a man's son, whose name was Ithra an Israelite, that went in to Abigail the daughter of Nahash, sister to Zeruiah Joab's mother.
Nahash, the father of Zeruiah and Abigal, David's half-sisters, was an Ammonite king:
1Sam 11:1 Then Nahash the Ammonite came up, and encamped against Jabeshgilead: and all the men of Jabesh said unto Nahash, Make a covenant with us, and we will serve thee.
1Sam 12:12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.
David's father was Jesse, not Nahash. Zeruiah and Abigal were David's half-sisters through his mother's previous marriage to Nahash. This would also help explain why Nahash showed kindness to David, perhaps out of respect for David's mother, Nahashs former wife and the mother of two of Nahash's children.
2Sam 10:2 Then said David, I will shew kindness unto Hanun the son of Nahash, as his father shewed kindness unto me. And David sent to comfort him by the hand of his servants for his father. And David's servants came into the land of the children of Ammon.
David's mother was most likely the second wife of Jesse, the first wife being the mother of David's half-brothers. Jesses first wife's standing before the 'righteousness of the law', (her not having been married to, or the concubine of, a heathen king, as was Davids mother), would have been superior to that of David's mother, and explains why David's half-brothers, Jesse's other sons, would have felt they were superior to David, and why he would be accused of being prideful, for thinking he was as good as them....
1Sam 17:28-30 28 And Eliab his eldest brother heard when he spake unto the men; and Eliab's anger was kindled against David, and he said, Why camest thou down hither? and with whom hast thou left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know thy pride, and the naughtiness of thine heart; for thou art come down that thou mightest see the battle. 29 And David said, What have I now done? Is there not a cause? 30 And he turned from him toward another, and spake after the same manner: and the people answered him again after the former manner.
...and why David was not considered, by his father Jesse, as `true' a son as his half-brothers. Samuel had called Jesse and his sons, and thus expected `all' his sons, to the sacrifice (1Sam 16:5,11). Jesse, having been told to bring `his sons' by a prophet of the Lord everyone feared (1Sam 16:4), was confident he had obeyed the prophet, even knowing he did not bring David....
1Sam 16:11 And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he keepeth the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither.
....which would be consistent with God's sometimes choosing that which men esteemed as worthless (the `least') to be the greatest: (Gideon- Jud 6:15; King Saul- 1Sam 9:21; Jesus- Mt 2:6, Lk 9:48)
David's mother was apparently a Jewish woman, because `no Ammonite shall enter the congregation of the Lord to the 10th generation (Deu 23:3), and yet in PS 86:16 and PS 116:16, David refers to himself as "the son of thy handmaid", which would seem to testify to his mother's relationship with the Lord. David's mother was, in the eyes of Jewish law, considered `defiled' by her previous relationship to an Ammonite.
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Hello holyrokker.
"Then why aren't children of christians automatically christians?"
They are. Mother sheeps are good at looking after baby sheeps. Why get goats to bring sheeps up, though some do? The promise is made to me and my children and my children's children. Eze 37:25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever.
2SA 12:13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD."
As for the biography of David's parents, this is a new one on me. Ps 51 begins with David asking for mercy and for God to blot out his transgressions not his parents. Against God only has he sinned he says. What sin did he commit in being conceived?
PS 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Does not scan man.
I thought Ps 51 to be about his murder of Uriah the Hittite after the adultery with his beautiful wife Bathsheba.
There seems to be a lot of supposition in your explanation but this is just from a glance. Did you copy this from some book or other? Seems an aweful lot of work to make a simple psalm of repentance into a denial of original sin to me, but that is just at a glance. I apologise if I err.
GE 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
Since the fall men have been born in sin and after the likeness of fallen man, it is only in Christ that God starts to renew the likeness of Christ in us and that is not by works but by grace.
johnp.
"Then why aren't children of christians automatically christians?"
They are. Mother sheeps are good at looking after baby sheeps. Why get goats to bring sheeps up, though some do? The promise is made to me and my children and my children's children. Eze 37:25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever.
2SA 12:13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD."
As for the biography of David's parents, this is a new one on me. Ps 51 begins with David asking for mercy and for God to blot out his transgressions not his parents. Against God only has he sinned he says. What sin did he commit in being conceived?
PS 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Does not scan man.
I thought Ps 51 to be about his murder of Uriah the Hittite after the adultery with his beautiful wife Bathsheba.
There seems to be a lot of supposition in your explanation but this is just from a glance. Did you copy this from some book or other? Seems an aweful lot of work to make a simple psalm of repentance into a denial of original sin to me, but that is just at a glance. I apologise if I err.
GE 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
Since the fall men have been born in sin and after the likeness of fallen man, it is only in Christ that God starts to renew the likeness of Christ in us and that is not by works but by grace.
johnp.
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armothe
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blighty said:
So our physical bodies come from our paternal/maternal parents. Where does our spirit come from? And when do we receive it?
And if sin is passed on by genetics (even a little), then why can't we seem to locate this gene? And even if we do, wouldn't it be possible to remove that gene?
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Hello armothe.
"So our physical bodies come from our paternal/maternal parents. Where does our spirit come from? And when do we receive it?"
We must receive it at conception. It must be part of man. Part of reproduction. But what is it? I don't know. I know it can exist being cut off from God, dead.
Rom 8:3 ...God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.
"And if sin is passed on by genetics (even a little), then why can't we seem to locate this gene? And even if we do, wouldn't it be possible to remove that gene?"
That would be of no help for the spirit because God cut that off. But then many would not care as long as they can live on. I think also that when He said six score years and ten He did code it into our genes so I believe we can find that. Whether it can be manipulated or not we may find out. Man has just began that adventure!
Remember Dolly the sheep. She was cloned and had an age of six when she was born because the sheep she came from was six. Definitely coded.
Given the time I think we could overcome the problems but I don't think we have the time.
johnp.
"So our physical bodies come from our paternal/maternal parents. Where does our spirit come from? And when do we receive it?"
We must receive it at conception. It must be part of man. Part of reproduction. But what is it? I don't know. I know it can exist being cut off from God, dead.
Rom 8:3 ...God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.
"And if sin is passed on by genetics (even a little), then why can't we seem to locate this gene? And even if we do, wouldn't it be possible to remove that gene?"
That would be of no help for the spirit because God cut that off. But then many would not care as long as they can live on. I think also that when He said six score years and ten He did code it into our genes so I believe we can find that. Whether it can be manipulated or not we may find out. Man has just began that adventure!
Remember Dolly the sheep. She was cloned and had an age of six when she was born because the sheep she came from was six. Definitely coded.
Given the time I think we could overcome the problems but I don't think we have the time.
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God explicitly says the sins of the father are not passed on to the son.theotherguy said:
Gods four generation punishments are not from passed on sin, but relate to how long it takes to change attitueds. Besides, even then, the fifth generation does not inherit the punishment.
Inherited sin might be a good sales pitch for convincing people they need a cure that you might be selling. Snake oil salesmen take note!
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blighty said:
I never came back to see if anyone addressed me in this thread, but when I came back to read today, I saw this.
Holy Rokker did a good job of examining your contention.
Btw, in Judaism, there is such a thing as "evil inclination" but this is different from "original sin".
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armothe
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Read Deut. 1:30-40
vs. 39: Moreover, your little ones (infants) who you said would become a prey, and your sons (children), who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.
Strange how we have infants and children entering the promised land because they aren't yet able to distinguish between good and evil. Anitype?
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vs. 39: Moreover, your little ones (infants) who you said would become a prey, and your sons (children), who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.
Strange how we have infants and children entering the promised land because they aren't yet able to distinguish between good and evil. Anitype?
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Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniguity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
That's why we inherit sin.
We also can inherit blessing...
Deu. 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy witht hem that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations...
God Bless
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniguity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
That's why we inherit sin.
We also can inherit blessing...
Deu. 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy witht hem that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations...
God Bless
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Hello muffler dragon.
Btw, in Judaism, there is such a thing as "evil inclination" but this is different from "original sin".
Interesting stuff. To see the same belief that Arminians have infecting the chosen people even back then? I suppose they believed this inclination could be overcome with God's help if one were willing, just like Rome says?HaHa!
Y'shua, the Apostles, and first-century believers probably did not hold to this consideration.
That is also very interesting, your use of the word 'probably' is probably the first time I've encountered a 'probably' on a discussion forum! Usually everybody is certain! I must say it has taken my breathe away.
I see from the number of posts you have that this 'probably' had better be handled with caution!
What is it, do you believe in original sin or not?
Original Sin" is not a Jewish consideration;
No nor a lot of the Western Churches if I'm to believe what some say but that is not our business as Elijah discovered when He discovered that our Father has His people in reserve. My business is to preach the gospel and without original sin there can be no gospel as the fallen angels found.
johnp.
Btw, in Judaism, there is such a thing as "evil inclination" but this is different from "original sin".
Interesting stuff. To see the same belief that Arminians have infecting the chosen people even back then? I suppose they believed this inclination could be overcome with God's help if one were willing, just like Rome says?HaHa!
Y'shua, the Apostles, and first-century believers probably did not hold to this consideration.
That is also very interesting, your use of the word 'probably' is probably the first time I've encountered a 'probably' on a discussion forum! Usually everybody is certain! I must say it has taken my breathe away.
I see from the number of posts you have that this 'probably' had better be handled with caution!
What is it, do you believe in original sin or not?
Original Sin" is not a Jewish consideration;
No nor a lot of the Western Churches if I'm to believe what some say but that is not our business as Elijah discovered when He discovered that our Father has His people in reserve. My business is to preach the gospel and without original sin there can be no gospel as the fallen angels found.
johnp.
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Hello Misty Minister. Nice to meet you.
"God explicitly says the sins of the father are not passed on to the son."
Eze 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The sins are not but the fathers actions, beliefs and our lives in general affect us. Is there a mechanism for us to have a decent shot at believing, like everone having a chance of hearing the word of God. Not all hear it. How many evangelists in Saudi Arabia? How many bibles go across their book shop counters?
I bring your attention to Eli and Eli's house. Eli was held responsible for the damnation of his sons because he did not bring them up right, upright. He was told that his sons would never have an atonement made for them because of their sins that Eli caused by neglecting his family. This went up the line and although his house continued and acted in the worship of God none of them had an atonement made for them because Eli, I make an assumption, was too busy doing the Lord's work to spend some time with the kids.
Each man will pay for his own sins unless another take the punishment for them. Praise Him!
Each man will pay for his own sins and they include the sins you cause others to commit and those who are caused to sin will pay for their own sins.
Eze 18:20 does not refute original sin. I never said you said it did but it is one that may come up, it won't now?
"Inherited sin might be a good sales pitch for convincing people they need a cure that you might be selling. Snake oil salesmen take note!"
By inherited sin you do mean original sin don't you? I think 'inherited sin' may be a bit misleading. I think it better to say inherited condition.
"Inherited sin might be a good sales pitch for convincing people they need a cure that you might be selling. Snake oil salesmen take note!"
I think you may have misunderstood the doctrine of original sin. What if God thought it a good enough sales pitch?
So, how many bottles can I put you down for then?
johnp.
"God explicitly says the sins of the father are not passed on to the son."
Eze 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The sins are not but the fathers actions, beliefs and our lives in general affect us. Is there a mechanism for us to have a decent shot at believing, like everone having a chance of hearing the word of God. Not all hear it. How many evangelists in Saudi Arabia? How many bibles go across their book shop counters?
I bring your attention to Eli and Eli's house. Eli was held responsible for the damnation of his sons because he did not bring them up right, upright. He was told that his sons would never have an atonement made for them because of their sins that Eli caused by neglecting his family. This went up the line and although his house continued and acted in the worship of God none of them had an atonement made for them because Eli, I make an assumption, was too busy doing the Lord's work to spend some time with the kids.
Each man will pay for his own sins unless another take the punishment for them. Praise Him!
Each man will pay for his own sins and they include the sins you cause others to commit and those who are caused to sin will pay for their own sins.
Eze 18:20 does not refute original sin. I never said you said it did but it is one that may come up, it won't now?
"Inherited sin might be a good sales pitch for convincing people they need a cure that you might be selling. Snake oil salesmen take note!"
By inherited sin you do mean original sin don't you? I think 'inherited sin' may be a bit misleading. I think it better to say inherited condition.
"Inherited sin might be a good sales pitch for convincing people they need a cure that you might be selling. Snake oil salesmen take note!"
I think you may have misunderstood the doctrine of original sin. What if God thought it a good enough sales pitch?
So, how many bottles can I put you down for then?
johnp.
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Hello armothe.
So if sin is even partially a physical (genetic) condition, and can be manipulated; then are you ready to consider that man alone can remove sin from the body?
No not sin because sin is due to a dead spirit. The dead spirit is responsible for the state of our nature. The fallen nature has control of our will and gets what it wants. What we might be able to do is extend our lives indefinitly by finding and manipulating the encoded self-destruct mechanism which must be there because God uses cause and effect.
We would not be able to remove the sin from us because we would change only the death sequence by manipulating the genes not renew a right spirit in ourselves.
"Strange how we have infants and children entering the promised land because they aren't yet able to distinguish between good and evil. Antitype?"
I don't know what you mean really but I'd like to make a couple of dozen comments. I shall keep it to some though. Shotgun like because I don't know yet where you are coming from.
Luke 1:41-44 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"
There is no age limit to being regenerated and as with John there is no other requirement to be made for regeneration other than to exsist as one who was chosen before the creation of the world for the love of God to be lavished on.
The Promised Land is the type. The Israelites were a type as was crossing the Jordan. The reality is found in Christ. RO 9:6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
I'm a Calvinist by the way, good to meet you.
johnp.
So if sin is even partially a physical (genetic) condition, and can be manipulated; then are you ready to consider that man alone can remove sin from the body?
No not sin because sin is due to a dead spirit. The dead spirit is responsible for the state of our nature. The fallen nature has control of our will and gets what it wants. What we might be able to do is extend our lives indefinitly by finding and manipulating the encoded self-destruct mechanism which must be there because God uses cause and effect.
We would not be able to remove the sin from us because we would change only the death sequence by manipulating the genes not renew a right spirit in ourselves.
"Strange how we have infants and children entering the promised land because they aren't yet able to distinguish between good and evil. Antitype?"
I don't know what you mean really but I'd like to make a couple of dozen comments. I shall keep it to some though. Shotgun like because I don't know yet where you are coming from.
Luke 1:41-44 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"
There is no age limit to being regenerated and as with John there is no other requirement to be made for regeneration other than to exsist as one who was chosen before the creation of the world for the love of God to be lavished on.
The Promised Land is the type. The Israelites were a type as was crossing the Jordan. The reality is found in Christ. RO 9:6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
I'm a Calvinist by the way, good to meet you.
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stacey.
"We also can inherit blessing..."
We do indeed! We have the righteousness of Christ.
johnp.
"We also can inherit blessing..."
We do indeed! We have the righteousness of Christ.
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