why do so many bands hate bush?

[ahk114007]

i dont know if this thread belongs in here or the politics forum. but why do so many bands hate bush and the current administration? there is the whole "American Idiot" crowd that has deemed the President as wrong and how he is destroying America. I'm not here to discuss whether he is right or not, and i dont want this to be a political argument. the thing is, has it suddenly become popular to capitalize on the hate of others? because many bands who had in the past had absolutely no political invovlement have suddenly jumped in to absolutely hate current politicians. and who are they to talk anyways? why should some musician, who all they really know is music (if that), tell everyone else about politics? would you take advice from a veterinarian on how to grow grass? then why take a musicians view on politics? it makes no sense to me. it seems to me, and maybe i am wrong about this, but it seems to just have been a good idea to get popularity, and everyone jumped on the band-wagon. and the thing is that many of the songs and bands are so disrespectful and degrading, despite the current administrations position. whether you respect a person or not, it is your right to respect their position or authority. but so many people think that since they dont agree with them, then it is their right to totally abolish and degrade them. it seems that people are voicing a fight against those that are fighting to keep the freedom for those very poeple to have the right to voice their opinion. doesnt make sense to me. dont get me wrong, i believe everyone is entitled to an opinion, the thing is, when your opinion turns destructive and blatantly persuasive, is it really even a safe opinion any more? i dunno, it just seems to me that the whole thing of hating Bush is more of a trend than an actual political view....but think as you wish.

 

[nadroj1985]

More or less, most of the political statements, while probably not completely arbitrary, are very much based on the fact that most of the people listening to rock music are young liberals. Most of these sorts of moves by popular rock bands are at least partly concerned with selling more records. And of course, it's the same with country music and conservative politics.

The war in Iraq has been a pretty hot issue in the USA, so the current president has received more fanatical attacks (and support) than a lot of presidents do.

Also, you asked "who are musicians to talk about politics?" The answer is that they are U.S. citizens, who have just as much right to their opinion as anyone else. It's people like them, like it or not, who vote for the people that run our country. They are entitled to their opinions, no matter how "unsafe" or "destructive" anyone thinks they are (unless they break the law, of course).

 

[WhenFinallySetFree777]

i dunno, it just seems to me that the whole thing of hating Bush is more of a trend than an actual political view.

I would say that that is the reason that a good deal of young people who don't know jack about politics hate him, yes.

More or less, most of the political statements, while probably not completely arbitrary, are very much based on the fact that most of the people listening to rock music are young liberals.

I very much agree.

Some kids educate themselves, and so do a good deal of artists, but to say that no bands/artists fill their music with liberal themes to cash in would be very naive.

 

[Chrome]

pretty simple, see, suddenly, kids are into (or think they are) politics, and now with a recent election even more so, and, desperate for money, popular bands sing about whats popular...politics. yes its a generalization and you know the ones im talking about.

its all about whats popular and 'in' at the moment

 

[Bohemian]

a good deal of young people who don't know jack about politics hate him, yes.

The same could be said of those who voted him back in.

 

[BOJAX]

i dont know if this thread belongs in here or the politics forum. but why do so many bands hate bush and the current administration? there is the whole "American Idiot" crowd that has deemed the President as wrong and how he is destroying America. I'm not here to discuss whether he is right or not, and i dont want this to be a political argument. the thing is, has it suddenly become popular to capitalize on the hate of others? because many bands who had in the past had absolutely no political invovlement have suddenly jumped in to absolutely hate current politicians. and who are they to talk anyways? why should some musician, who all they really know is music (if that), tell everyone else about politics? would you take advice from a veterinarian on how to grow grass? then why take a musicians view on politics? it makes no sense to me. it seems to me, and maybe i am wrong about this, but it seems to just have been a good idea to get popularity, and everyone jumped on the band-wagon. and the thing is that many of the songs and bands are so disrespectful and degrading, despite the current administrations position. whether you respect a person or not, it is your right to respect their position or authority. but so many people think that since they dont agree with them, then it is their right to totally abolish and degrade them. it seems that people are voicing a fight against those that are fighting to keep the freedom for those very poeple to have the right to voice their opinion. doesnt make sense to me. dont get me wrong, i believe everyone is entitled to an opinion, the thing is, when your opinion turns destructive and blatantly persuasive, is it really even a safe opinion any more? i dunno, it just seems to me that the whole thing of hating Bush is more of a trend than an actual political view....but think as you wish.

I agree with that statement (in bold) although i do not support Bush, these bands are brainwashing people with totally biased views. They're more than likely to go along with them. And I also agree that it has to do with them making more money. Since as you stated before most people who listen to rock are younger liberals.

American idiot is a horrible song/album/concept

 

[fyodoros]

i would not agree that all or even most bands are trying to capitalize on hate for the present administration. artists have a long history of being heavily involved in politics, going back as far as the renaissance (probably even much further). art can be described as a reflection of life, and politics are a huge part of that.

but so many people think that since they dont agree with them, then it is their right to totally abolish and degrade them.

they do have the right to do this. free speech is a wonderful thing, even when we don't agree with the things being said.

it seems that people are voicing a fight against those that are fighting to keep the freedom for those very poeple to have the right to voice their opinion.

could you elaborate on this a bit?

when your opinion turns destructive and blatantly persuasive, is it really even a safe opinion any more?

how can opinions become destructive? i'm not trying to be argumentative, i just don't understand this. what is wrong with a persuasive arguement?

it just seems to me that the whole thing of hating Bush is more of a trend than an actual political view

believe me, its more than a trend, and is, IMO, a valid "political view".

 

[Barrenlimb]

I would say that it is a trend, but also a media frenzy.

All that is in the media right now and for the past couple years was the controversy over the war and blaming Bush for everything. With this, you have all sorts of comedy shows being comedic about the common trend. The media (TV, shows, news, Internet, ect..) drives this country because America watches more TV than doing anything else(work excluded). Music is capitalizing on this trend. Right now, it is cool to be a hippie I guess. Anti Government, Anti War, ect. ect.

I have heard all sorts of different albums in the last 6 months that are very political in nature. From the Hardcore scene to the Emo scene. Pick up Brighteyes new CD and you will see political songs throughout that album. The name of that CD is Im wide awake its morning.

So here is what the youth of the nation have. TV, News, Media, Internet, and Music portraying this same message. Brainwashing? Your call.

 

[foo-oswald]

and who are they to talk anyways? why should some musician, who all they really know is music (if that), tell everyone else about politics? would you take advice from a veterinarian on how to grow grass? then why take a musicians view on politics? it makes no sense to me.

You're really showing you age here, my friend. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just because someone listens to Greenday and enjoys their music doesn't mean they also completely buy into Billy Joe Armstrong's political point of view.

Obviously, he's very passionate about the political state of America. Get over it...

whether you respect a person or not, it is your right to respect their position or authority. but so many people think that since they dont agree with them, then it is their right to totally abolish and degrade them.

Yes, it is their right. That's one of the good things about America. Everyone has the right to their opinion, and the right to express that opinion, even when it doesn't agree with your opinion...

it seems that people are voicing a fight against those that are fighting to keep the freedom for those very poeple to have the right to voice their opinion. doesnt make sense to me.

Do you honestly believe that the bands you're mentioning wish to see the freedoms of America taken away? Come on, man. They just don't agree with the methods Bush is using to get there, and it p*sses them off. So, they write songs about it. So what?

dont get me wrong, i believe everyone is entitled to an opinion, the thing is, when your opinion turns destructive and blatantly persuasive, is it really even a safe opinion any more? i dunno, it just seems to me that the whole thing of hating Bush is more of a trend than an actual political view....but think as you wish.

You keep repeating that you're all for people being entitled to their opinions, but it seems you have a problem with anyone expressing their opinion when it doesn't line up with yours...

 

[Breetai]

...because Bushie seems to be using 9/11 as an excuse to take away freedom from Americans and, in turn, from the rest of the world.

 

[MetalBlade]

Most musicians, along with actors, are liberals.

 

[Z500]

because it's "cool", and because bush is an overrated buffoon who's mismanaging our country and ruining our overseas image

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

a good deal of young people who don't know jack about politics hate him, yes.

The same could be said of those who voted him back in.

Agreed!

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Oh cmon, this has been going on since the beginning of rock and roll.
As long as there are people in the spot light, they will continue to share their political views.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

Oh cmon, this has been going on since the beginning of rock and roll.
As long as there are people in the spot light, they will continue to share their political views.

I agree. I also don't see anything wrong with that. I think you should be able to stand up for what you believe in. If you are in the position to let your voice be heard, by all means- speak up!

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

I agree. I also don't see anything wrong with that. I think you should be able to stand up for what you believe in. If you are in the position to let your voice be heard, by all means- speak up!

I agree 100%... its just unfortunate that there are a good many people who are in that position who abuse it.

 

[WhenFinallySetFree777]

If you are in the position to let your voice be heard, by all means- speak up!

Let's just hope that intelligence isn't drowned out in the stupidity having that freedom brings.

I agree 100%... its just unfortunate that there are a good many people who are in that position who abuse it.

Yep. It's sad that often the loudest people are also stupid.

 

[Bushido216]

American idiot is a horrible song/album/concept

That won a Grammy.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Yep. It's sad that often the loudest people are also stupid.

awesome! I've been known to be loud

 

[foo-oswald]

Let's just hope that intelligence isn't drowned out in the stupidity having that freedom brings.

Impossible. Stupidity is rampant from Beijing to Brooklyn, and isn't fostered in any greater degree from one point to the next.

Another thing: Stupidity can be relative, as well. One person thinks another is stupid, while the other thinks yet another is stupid. And, on-and-on it goes...