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1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
Jesus canceled my sin and therefore I've none. GLORY!!!!!1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
But you still need grace for the occasional sins you will make from time to time, even after you got saved. As much as we will try to live up to Gods word, we will still slip up as we are human.
Not "occasionally" do we sin. We sin "constantly." That is PRECISELY why Grace is hands-down FAR more superior than the creaky and decrepit Mosaic Law it replaced.
The Law and Grace do NOT mix. They are oil and water. There is no crossover and no mixing possible. To the extent you try to keep ANY part of the Law, you are that much further away from Grace.
I agree and disagree
I disagree with "To the extent you try to keep ANY part of the Law, you are that much further away from Grace"
IF that is true, then me not stealing, lieing, killing, coveting, not commuting sexually immoral acts puts me far away from grace.
Your not doing those things is likely a result your upbringing and habits built up over many years. NOT because you were thinking about or being guided by the law at the time.
REALLY? Were you REALLY only "not stealing, lying, killing, coveting, committing sexual acts" merely because the law prohibits them? REALLY? Do you constantly have to remind yourself each day and every hour upon hour: "Today, I will not kill anyone, for the Ten Commandments forbid it?" " I will not rape anyone, only because that would violate the Ten Commandments?"
Given that the Noahide Laws also prohibit all of those things, it seems unlikely that the Ten Commandments are the ONLY thing keeping you from doing such things.
I would suggest the REAL reason you refrain from doing those things is NOT because the law forbids them, but because your relationship with Grace has completely removed any inclination to do them.
BTW, I have a nice quote to respond to one of your earlier contentions that the Pope changed "Saturday to Sunday" in the 300 AD century. Here is the problem that Seventh Day Adventism's own theologian Dr. Samuele Bacchiochi presents to Ellen White's delusional theory:
"The time has come to call bluff in the game the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been playing with the Sabbath problem since the Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi fiasco began in the 1970s. His 1977 book,
From Sabbath to Sunday,rejected both Adventist teachings that the Sabbath of Colossians 2:14-17 was not a reference to the Weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue and the idea that the Roman Catholic Church was responsible for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. In the place of these two traditional SDA defenses, he introduced two highly imaginative theories to replace them. With two of the most important traditional pillars of SDA Sabbath defenses rejected and biblically invalidated by the Churchs very own Sabbath scholar, it became clear to a few thinking Adventist theologians, pastors, and teachers that the validity of Sabbatarianism now rests on whether Dr. Bacchiocchisreplacement theories provide a Biblically sound substitute.
Dr. Bacchiocchi, the Sabbath, and the Writings of Paul - Kerry Wynne
Read the article. It demolishes everything you have said about Sunday worship on these threads.
Your not doing those things is likely a result your upbringing and habits built up over many years. NOT because you were thinking about or being guided by the law at the time.
REALLY? Were you REALLY only "not stealing, lying, killing, coveting, committing sexual acts" merely because the law prohibits them? REALLY? Do you constantly have to remind yourself each day and every hour upon hour: "Today, I will not kill anyone, for the Ten Commandments forbid it?" " I will not rape anyone, only because that would violate the Ten Commandments?"
Given that the Noahide Laws also prohibit all of those things, it seems unlikely that the Ten Commandments are the ONLY thing keeping you from doing such things.
I would suggest the REAL reason you refrain from doing those things is NOT because the law forbids them, but because your relationship with Grace has completely removed any inclination to do them.
BTW, I have a nice quote to respond to one of your earlier contentions that the Pope changed "Saturday to Sunday" in the 300 AD century. Here is the problem that Seventh Day Adventism's own theologian Dr. Samuele Bacchiochi presents to Ellen White's delusional theory:
"The time has come to call bluff in the game the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been playing with the Sabbath problem since the Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi fiasco began in the 1970s. His 1977 book,
From Sabbath to Sunday,rejected both Adventist teachings that the Sabbath of Colossians 2:14-17 was not a reference to the Weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue and the idea that the Roman Catholic Church was responsible for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. In the place of these two traditional SDA defenses, he introduced two highly imaginative theories to replace them. With two of the most important traditional pillars of SDA Sabbath defenses rejected and biblically invalidated by the Churchs very own Sabbath scholar, it became clear to a few thinking Adventist theologians, pastors, and teachers that the validity of Sabbatarianism now rests on whether Dr. Bacchiocchisreplacement theories provide a Biblically sound substitute.
Dr. Bacchiocchi, the Sabbath, and the Writings of Paul - Kerry Wynne
Read the article. It demolishes everything you have said about Sunday worship on these threads.
Why dont we lie, steal, kill, etc...because they were commands in the bible the make up our morality. Thats is what separate you from the world is your faith in God and your obedience to him.
This is the same argument Paul encountered, and he addresses it in Romans 3:8. Please do not appeal to a fallacy that Scripture already condemned.Why dont we lie, steal, kill, etc...because they were commands in the bible the make up our morality. Thats is what separate you from the world is your faith in God and your obedience to him.
WRONG!
If you are avoiding ANY of those things because an Old Testament Law commands it; as a Gentile you are obeying the Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments never have been and never will be for the Gentiles.
Do you avoid speeding in your car in Florida because the laws of India or Turkey prohibit it? Well they do prohibit it, but that does not control what happens in Florida. There is no need to get out your iphone and look up Brazil's speeding laws. The law of Florida is what determines whether you are speeding or not. They put signs up.
Millions on millions of Gentiles lived among the Jews in Palestine over many centuries, but there is not ONE SINGLE mention of a Gentile anywhere in the Bible keeping the Sabbath!
Breaking the Sabbath was punished with stoning. Here you have ALL of these millions of Gentiles breaking the Sabbath every single week and never getting stoned for it. To the contrary, if they were to TRY and KEEP the Sabbath, the Mosaic law pitilessly called for the death penalty. I have proven that MANY times on these forums and NEVER has that been disproven.
Smart Gentiles did not keep the Sabbath. Gentiles did not keep the Sabbath, because Gentiles were and are smart.
99.99999999999 percent of all Christian theologians and Bible Scholars throughout history denounced Sabbath Keeping as a non-Christian heresy, and accepted that Christians worshiped on Sunday, or any other day they so chose.
Only one brain-damaged, pathological lying false prophet required Sabbath Keeping and required her gelded theologians to strain for weak-to-nonexistent support for the position.
It is worth billions of dollars a year for the Seventh Day Adventist church to justify Sabbath Keeping any way they can. It is a huge, colossal scam.
I see what you are saying and I go to church every Sunday as I have my whole life, but in the last couple of years I have read through the bible and try to read it in context without all the indoctrination that has been pushed on Christianity by the Catholic Church through the years or the many verses taken out of context too and have wondered about the Sabbath.
I wont label Sabbath keeping as heresy, as it is a direct command from God, but:
Why is it only that command we do away with?
Was Jesus mission only to come to the earth just to abolish the Sabbath?
Why when people keep the Sabbath, Christians get super defensive?
If we know what the 1st day of the week is why do we pretend not to know when the 7th is?
And with all the false teaching passed down by Catholicism to Christianity, should we not question the Sat vs Sunday issue as well?
Me personally Im not 100% sold that after 6000yrs of history that Saturday, is the same 7th day of the week that it was back then. If you dont give someone a clock, there is no way possible that they will get the date right after a few weeks as people now dont even know what day of the week it is at times.
I personally think God just wants us to pick a day, but I could be wrong on that for all I know.
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