Graham Lloyd Dull
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Correct.
2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, one who needn’t be ashamed, one who correctly handles the word of truth.
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Correct.I had a vey unhappy experience in a Pentecostal church, you are right to be wary.
Of course, stating you must be conscious you sin if you transgress the law on your heart is spiritual fact.
For through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
I had a vey unhappy experience in a Pentecostal church, you are right to be wary.
Of course, stating you must be conscious you sin if you transgress the law on your heart is spiritual fact.
For through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
I say this sincerely. Don't just believe something because the church you go to tells you it is true. I did That once, it was a terrible time for me.Some of us get ‘suspicious and paranoid about everything’ when we know people whom the Holy Spirit has taken to realms far beyond Scripture.
I have a friend (he is my neighbour, and he much more Pentecostal than I am) who through the working of the Holy Spirit is now 2,000 years advanced on New Testament teaching. His ‘in the heart’ experience has taken him where neither Peter nor Paul would have dreamed to go.
There is much I could say, but I’ll quickly go back even further to the beginning of creation.
Going back to Genesis, he sees two creations of mankind. Mankind was first created (as recorded in Genesis Chapter One) and lived and died on the earth for tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years. ((Genesis 1:26 God said, “Let us make mankind in our image.”))
This, according to my neighbor, is the first creation of humankind.
The second is recorded in ((Genesis 2:7, Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground.)) This is the creation of Adam and Eve. This separate creation of humankind came much later than the first, and was much superior to the first.
To him, the first creation is affirmed by the general understanding of the fossil record whereby it is seen that animals and mankind have lived on earth for a huge length of time. (The Holy Spirit has confirmed this truth to him.)
In contrast, the creation of Adam and Eve occurred only about 6,000 years ago. (This is affirmed by the genealogies recorded in Scripture. And these family records cannot be stretched to make them go back hundreds of thousands of years.)
He is adamant that these truths were revealed to him solely by the Spirit of God, and cannot be acquired by anyone from the Word of God.
We get suspicious when such people -- he is a church leader -- no longer heed the words of Scripture.
This obviously makes it difficult for all those for whom ‘Scripture’ and the ‘Spirit’ go hand in hand.
2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, one who needn’t be ashamed, one who correctly handles the word of truth.
And why keep stating:
You must obey the TC
Why not state:
You must obey the beatitudes to get to heaven. That is set to a higher standard than the literal wording of the TC!
They are Christs commands and he spoke the words of God on this earth.
Try the new covenant, its very good
For those who want to take that route, why not?Higher standards for more works-righteousness and improved self-justification.
The New Covenant places and keeps 'the Ten Commandments and faith in Jesus' together right down to the end of the Christian era (to the end of time).I say this sincerely. Don't just believe something because the church you go to tells you it is true. I did That once, it was a terrible time for me.
If the sda church ( or any church) tells you you can accept as christians people who have no conscience they sin by failing to observe a specific saturday Sabbath, you only have two choices I you are sda. Either you must accept your church I wrong, or you must accept the holy spirit did not write the fourth commandment as written on the mind and place it on the heart of people who have no conscience they sin by failing to observe a set Saturday Sabbath.
You have to decide what matters most. What the church tells you or spiritual truth
In the new covenant you have a saviour from your sin, he is your righteousness/ justification before the father, not lawkeeping.
The christian has no righteousness/ justification of observing the law under the new covenant, its written multiple times.
The christian is released from the law and serves in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code.
The letter kills, the Spirit gives life.
The yardstick for attaining heaven isn't obeying what Paul stated was the ministry of condemnation/ the letter that kills
In the earthly world, you get what you earn, you get what you deserve, the harder you work the better reward. And people take that into their christianity
Where shall I post if I don't love the SDA as a whole, but I don't hate the people in a theological system which is in contradiction to the gospel of Christ?
A quote from the founder of SDA, Ellen White, which is very disturbing, as she appears to be teaching a foreign gospel:
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God".
Wouldn't a great prophet of the Lord be consistent?
The yardstick for attaining heaven isn't obeying what Paul stated was the ministry of condemnation/ the letter that kills
Why do people like SDA doctrine?
They claim to follow the letter of the commandments closer than most others( I e the fourth)
That may appeal to many.
Avoiding the levitical unclean foods to be physically healthier may also appeal
And the majority of church goers in reality believe they will attain heaven by obeying the commandments, the sda much stresses this.
The natural mind of man knows in the earthly world you get what you earn, you get what you strive for, what you deserve.
Unfortunately that mindset takes you further away from the true gospel message
The law God desires you to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart under the new covenant. What is in your mind you instinctively know, and what is on your heart you in your heart want to obey. There is no hiding from That law, no ignorance of it.
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
Therefore if a person has no conscience they sin by failing to observe a specific seventh day Sabbath only two things are possible.
Either God has not written that law on their mind and placed it on their heart or they are not a Christian.
I would sincerely ask you to contemplate on that much before responding. It is scripturally the correct deduction
This is not accurate -
Adventists believe in the Trinity. God the Son is incarnate as the Son of God - Jesus Christ on earth. But as we see in Genesis 18 and 19 God and the angels can "appear" in the form of a man if they so choose. What is more God the Son can appear in the form of the archangel Michael for His own purposes. God has angels and Satan in rebellion has his fallen angels - Angels either hold their allegiance to God or to Satan. But in Revelation 12 the Angels faithful to God - who serve God are said to be in the group "Michael and HiS Angels" and in Hebrews 1 God says "Let all the Angels of God worship him" they serve God the Son. Who appears in the form of Michael in their ranks as the "Archangel" the head of them all. It is a "form" he takes not - but not an incarnation.
I will yet again quote the words of an sda church member:
Obedience to the Ten Commandments is stressed multiple times in scripture to be the requirement for entrance to heaven.
Unquote.
That is what every seventh day Adventist believes that I have personally met.
You may say it is a lie, but it is not, so many of your posts prove that is what you too believe
Ben Carson’s church believes the United States government will bring about the End Times.
According to mainstream Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, the Second Coming of Christ will occur after the U.S. government teams up with the Catholic Church—which Adventists believe is the “Babylon” of the Book of Revelation, with the pope being the Antichrist—to compel Adventists and others to worship on Sunday, rather than Saturday.
That may seem like a small hook on which to hang the fate of the world, but for Adventists, it is a core belief, taught at “prophecy seminars” and elaborated in excruciating geopolitical detail by key Adventist leaders.
Which commandments are mentioned in Revelation by John? The same ones he mentions in his epistles I imagine:The New Covenant places and keeps 'the Ten Commandments and faith in Jesus' together right down to the end of the Christian era (to the end of time).
((Revelation 12:17 …those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.))
To 'keep' and 'hold fast' do imply that these aspects of faith are treasured by God's people -- in a way not dissimilar to one possessing a valuable keepsake which is dearly treasured. It is not just a raw statement of fact. Those who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus, do so passionately.
While this is true, I don't claim in any way to be perfect. Otherwise, what sins would I have to confess -- (which I spoke about in an earlier post.)
((Revelation 14:12 …the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.))
We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7
Those who INSIST a seventh day Sabbath must be observed follow after the written code, not the holy spirit, it is one or the other.If that were but true the church(es) / <christianity> would have been much better off, more just, more holy, more honest, more heavenly and less as if they are of the earthly world and not in the earthly world.
And Mark Wright would have agreed, were it not the Sabbath would be justified by the harder work and honesty of the Church. Mark Wright resents your Sabbath Day, understand o Lord!
Wheras I agree people in all denominations believe in a works based Gospel, having been to an SDA church I would say they stress following the letter to a greater degree than I personally have found elsewhere.I agree and it's sad but true. However, this mindset happens in all churches and denominations. There are, "salvation by works" Christians everywhere. Most protestant churches including the Adventist do not hold to that doctrine but it does not prevent individuals from gravitating to it. I think it's one of these illnesses of the human condition. We like to control things, we like to take the bull by the horns and feel like we are doing something to contribute. So I think it's human nature to want to feel like we are contributing to our own salvation.
It's wrong to stand on the hill and point to a denomination and say, "look look, some of your members are trying to earn their salvation. Because they did this and this and that". If a denomination clearly states in their profession of beliefs that they believe in salvation by grace and grace alone, that's what you have to take. It's different if you're looking at say Catholics or JW's who plainly state that they believe works are how you earn your salvation.
Often those church members that are trying to earn God favour have eureka moments and do figure it out by the grace of God.
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