Chinchilla
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Not really against design but against evolution . Some folks believe earth came to being in 7 days by design and not billion of years .
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This is the best implicit argument against Design that I have read. Anytime. Anywhere. Thank you for the insight.
Does everything have mind ? Plant , dog , human , ape , rock , dirt ?
Second question , why can't I just turn off sygnal from my broken foot so it does not hurt anymore with my brain after my leg has been treated by doctor and is in state of repairing . The further pain does not help me
The picture, accurately painted by Sarah, is of third rate, chaotic design. This is what we would expect from a partially random process such as evolution. It is not what we have been led to expect from a supreme being.Not really against design but against evolution . Some folks believe earth came to being in 7 days by design and not billion of years .
The picture, accurately painted by Sarah, is of third rate, chaotic design. This is what we would expect from a partially random process such as evolution. It is not what we have been led to expect from a supreme being.
Those who believe God performed his act of creation in a literal seven days have the security of their faith to support that belief. If they manipulate the findings of science in an attempt to provide objective support for that belief they call into question their integrity and seem to cast a searchlight of doubt on their faith.
The second question is related because you said that your brain is your mind
and that he is the dictator of everything which is happening in your body , so why can't he stop sending pain sygnals at your command but need to have his pain sygnals interrupted by morphine ? Unless you and your brain are two different things this does not make sense .
Back to first question , if mind happens only in brains as you said that means that this sequence of atoms in form of a brain have something which atoms in sequence of rock do not have
Since everything evolved from hydrogen , why some atoms are given "mind"
when they are linked together and the other are not having " mind" if they come from the same source ?
Could you explain it as analogy that first earth was without form and void and God made order in everything , he ordered the sequence of no mind of atoms from rock to different sequence of atoms that have mind - brain and that's what Bible calls "formed man from ground and breath into him life " ?
Not really against design but against evolution
Some folks believe earth came to being in 7 days by design and not billion of years .
You're right! There is no way it just happened.
Now, on your way to see that designer about cataracts.
That's rather obvious. I doesn't make sense to me either.
We are not physicists, so that's not really surprising.
Yet, nukes explode and planes fly.
You don't get to invoke your ignorance on a topic as an argument against it.
No, not really. an assumption must be made that completely unknown forces acted in an unknown number of first causes in a chain to create the universe. That is a lot of assumptionsYes, really.
The "god" explanation, requires assuming the existence of rather extra ordinary entities.
The first, does not.
The explanation with the least assumptions, and all that....
Why would you not expect that from supreme being like God ?
If he exist and if Bible is his word then he clearly stated that in beginning earth was without form and void not in order but he had to make order there like potter and clay .
I suggest reading about Radium Polonium Halos. You probably never heared of such thing am i right ?
Perhaps. However, what difference does it make to you ? you aren't a Christian.Because you are betting on an unfalsifiable model, which is as arbitrary as it gets.
Unfalsifiable models, are infinite in number.
Also, I would think that if this christian God exists and indeed is omniscient and values sincerity and true belief - he won't be very impressed by someone who just "bets" on "winning everything, just in case".
So, regardless of how fallacious the wager is, it also kind of goes against the spirit of the very religion you are "betting" on.
But, I know how planes fly. I'm a pilot.
That class is called "biology".
1. no change "must" occur
2. no idea what "equations" you are talking about
3. sounds like you might want to freshen up on that good ol' biology as well
ow, so you are talking about useless hindsight probabilities?
Indeed, you are talking about that nonsense creationist propaganda that is infested with teleological and hindsight fallacies.
It assumes that all species that exist to had to exist. That they were meant to exist.
That's not the case at all.
As I said in the previous quote: no change in evolution "must" occur.
No, not really. an assumption must be made that completely unknown forces acted in an unknown number of first causes in a chain to create the universe. That is a lot of assumptions
And do planes fly because the science that backs it is sound - eventhough the equations etc might not make sense to us?
Or is it just a coincidence that they fly and doesn't it say anything about how accurate the science is that underpins all that technology?
Perhaps. However, what difference does it make to you ? you aren't a Christian.
Because we expect efficiency and perfection from a supreme being.
Not inneficient nonsense that would get even a mere puny human engineer fired...
And if Paris was small enough, I could fit it in my back pocket.
Not only have we all heared from it (ad nauseaum), we also know that it's one of those silly PRATT's that keeps coming up every few months. Oftenly by people who think they have some "gotcha!" in their heads that we never heared about before.
What's next? Piltdown perhaps? Or Haeckle's embryo's?
Ow, no, wait, I know..... take the "moondust argument". We haven't heared that one in a while on here.
In other words to get from A to Z an organism really doesn't have to (must) go through changes B through Y?
How does that work? It is those changes, and the math involved, that I'm interested in.
And it's not just 24 changes, but probably 24 million changes that would be involved.
The theory of flight and the ToE are hardly comparable, imo.
The Christian god is portrayed as omniscient and omnipotent. Why would such a being produce a third rate design? On the other hand a contingent process, such as evolution, would produce exactly that.Why would you not expect that from supreme being like God ?
Precisely so. One would then expect that order to reflect Divine perfection. It does not.If he exist and if Bible is his word then he clearly stated that in beginning earth was without form and void not in order but he had to make order there like potter and clay.
Did you notice my user name? Do you know what an ophiolite is? If you do, then you will understand they are studied by geologists. Do you see my avatar? Rocks and a geologist's hammer. Do you now realise you have made a wholly unwarrented assumption? I certainly know enough about "radium polonium halos"(sic) to know that you have misnamed an interpretation of pleochroic haloes that is the work of the physicist Robert Gentry.I suggest reading about Radium Polonium Halos. You probably never heared of such thing am i right ?
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