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In theory it's possible for the world to be vegetarian, but not vegan.
Lots of people live as vegetarians (India alone has 399 million vegetarians) but I don't think veganism on a large scale is possible. It's not healthy and they rely too much on synthetic products.SkyWriting said:You mean vegans can't live? I thought they do ok. Though they usually look a bit thin.
Dairy products are only one example - there's also eggs, honey, skin, feathers. Other animals like cows, horses, birds and even otters are used for farming and hunting.Skywriting said:And we are the only species on the planet to consume milk from other animals. Some say it's a dietary mistake.
Lots of people live as vegetarians (India alone has 399 million vegetarians) but I don't think veganism on a large scale is possible. It's not healthy and they rely too much on synthetic products. Dairy products are only one example - there's also eggs, honey, skin, feathers. Other animals like cows, horses, birds and even otters are used for farming and hunting.
SkyWriting said:I can't fathom what your talking about. Vegans are about .5% of the population for the US and UK. As for the animal kingdom, I imagine most vegetarian animals are Vegan. Wild animals rarely get their claws on synthetic foods.
So obviously the Earth does provide enough plant food for us to eat ...
...Creationists wrongly assume that there was literally no death before the Fall. This means there was no predation or extinction. This is turns leads to more wrong assumptions...
World hunger is caused by inequality, not lack of food. In most first world nations (and even some developing nations) obesity-related disorders are one of the leading causes of death. Almost a third of the world's food is wasted (link). People in poorer countries are hungry not because there is no food, but because they can't afford it.SkyWriting said:
There are two problems with the popular creationist use of this passage, firstly, it is a prophecy about the future not a description of the creation. Even more problematic, it is a highly figurative passage so it is not clear it is describing actual reformed predators. If those are literal lions and tigers and bears, was David's dad a literal tree stump?1 Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him,
The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The spirit of counsel and strength,
The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
3 And He will delight in the fear of the LORD,
And He will not judge by what His eyes see,
Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;
4 But with righteousness He will judge the poor,
And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.
5 Also righteousness will be the belt about His loins,
And faithfulness the belt about His waist.
6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion [a]and the fatling together;
And a little boy will lead them.
7 Also the cow and the bear will graze,
Their young will lie down together,
And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD
As the waters cover the sea. 10 Then in that day
The nations will resort to the root of Jesse,
Who will stand as a [b]signal for the peoples;
And His resting place will be [c]glorious.
-Isaiah 11
Speaking of predation. Though those ideas are kind of inevitable when we exchange theological truth for materialistic rationalizing.
World hunger is caused by inequality, not lack of food.
It means "not equal". In other words only a tiny percent of the world's population is getting the majority of the world's food.SkyWriting said:I don't know what inequality means to you, so it's hard to agree or not.
It means "not equal". In other words only a tiny percent of the world's population is getting the majority of the world's food.
You mean vegans can't live? I thought they do ok. Though they usually look a bit thin.
And we are the only species on the planet to consume milk from other animals. Some say it's a dietary mistake.
Concerning starvation: There are 3 main causes of starvation and they are all localized causes. 1. Natural disasters. 2. Bad religion (e.g., Hinduism). 3. Incompetent or evil government.
So much for the world being overpopulated. There is room enough in this world for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
I don't know what inequality means to you, so it's hard to agree or not.
shernren said:What inequality means to me is this:
"If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, reported at the July 24-26 meeting of the Canadian Society of Animal Science in Montreal.Cornell Science News: Livestock Production
Do you get that? The current population of the entire African continent is about 1 billion people. If the entire US were to go vegan, 80% of those people could be fed.
Some of them even force-feed their daughters like geese because, unlike Europe or the USA, in these places fat women are very desireable.
SkyWriting: I don't know all the details about why people in developing countries are getting so fat, it's probably a combination of things. I originally wrote that it was the rich who were becoming obese but maybe I'm wrong - for the first time in history (in the USA and Europe at least) the poor are fat and the wealthy are slim.
Perhaps we can blame fast food for that. You can go to places which have no indoor plumbing, perhaps not even running water, and still buy a coca-cola ...
There are two problems with the popular creationist use of this passage, firstly, it is a prophecy about the future not a description of the creation. Even more problematic, it is a highly figurative passage so it is not clear it is describing actual reformed predators. If those are literal lions and tigers and bears, was David's dad a literal tree stump?
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