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If variable X represents God's knowledge as of our day 1 of what Fred's day 2 A/B choice will be, does variable X have a truth value as of our day 1?
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No, God does not "gain knowledge", He already has all knowledge.
If we think of time as linear, God sees the entire line at once. He isn't restricted to slices of "the present" as we are. So if you're going to veer off and do something unexpected, He already knows about it.
If they provided evidence or support for what they said, you'd reply by saying, "That's not evidence", and then proceed to ask for it again, and again, and again. You do it all the time, and it's really gotten old.
Wouldnt they have to present the evidence first?
I think what may get old to some, is being held accountable to support their claims about others. I could see the frustration building, when they have none.
If they provided evidence or support for what they said, you'd reply by saying, "That's not evidence", and then proceed to ask for it again, and again, and again. You do it all the time, and it's really gotten old.
Mind reading again I see...
So you do or do not think it's necessary to back up disparaging claims about a person? Because if you don't, then I'm sure there's all sorts of facts that people could be saying about you...
Wouldnt they have to present the evidence first?
I think what may get old to some, is being held accountable to support their claims about others. I could see the frustration building, when they have none.
The frustration builds mostly from your insistence upon being argumentative, no matter what evidence is presented to you. It shows your real intention for being here.
Mind reading again I see...
So you do or do not think it's necessary to back up disparaging claims about a person? Because if you don't, then I'm sure there's all sorts of facts that people could be saying about you...
Not mind reading. POST reading. Read again what I said, since you have misrepresented what I said, and note the bolded part:
If they provided evidence or support for what they said, you'd reply by saying, "That's not evidence", and then proceed to ask for it again, and again, and again. You do it all the time, and it's really gotten old.
And no, I'm not going to go through all his previous posts in order to show you where he's done it in the past. You can do your own research if you'd like to see what he's done.
Non-conformist are all alike. It's not mind reading, it's experience, you guys aren't that sophisticated. Atheist do the same thing wherever Christian sites give you a voice. It's like eating at the Chinese buffet, same from town to town.
Not mind reading. POST reading. Read again what I said, since you have misrepresented what I said, and note the bolded part:
If they provided evidence or support for what they said, you'd reply by saying, "That's not evidence", and then proceed to ask for it again, and again, and again. You do it all the time, and it's really gotten old.
And no, I'm not going to go through all his previous posts in order to show you where he's done it in the past. You can do your own research if you'd like to see what he's done.
So you do or do not think it's necessary to back up disparaging claims about a person?
About a person, or about the types of posts the person has made? There's a difference there. As for a "disparaging claim" about the types of things they post on this forum, I think his own posts back up what I said quite nicely by speaking for themselves. If you don't believe that he has made those types of posts, then look through his posts and show me that I'm wrong.
Aside from all this, I was addressing bhsmte about things he said, and then you stepped in on the discussion. He's the one who wanted evidence. Now, if YOU want evidence for what he said--well, you can always click his name, and then click on the tab to see his previous posts. If you want to prove me wrong in a claim I made, you have the tools to give it a try.
About a person, or about the types of posts the person has made? There's a difference there. As for a "disparaging claim" about the types of things they post on this forum, I think his own posts back up what I said quite nicely by speaking for themselves. If you don't believe that he has made those types of posts, then look through his posts and show me that I'm wrong.
Aside from all this, I was addressing bhsmte about things he said, and then you stepped in on the discussion. He's the one who wanted evidence. Now, if YOU want evidence for what he said--well, you can always click his name, and then click on the tab to see his previous posts. If you want to prove me wrong in a claim I made, you have the tools to give it a try.
How did you get so smart and you're only 28????Since each Christian is different I can only answer for myself.
I don't get offended in the least bit and I answer questions, when presented respectfully.
I often find that the people who are always saying the statement of OP always tend to ignore answers or discredit even when it is very helpful and proven. I also find that this type of person likes to label groups, especially Christians, as a whole. So the offense is taken mostly at argumentative questions, not valid questions. It is also aimed at disrespect toward God, and disrespect to belief system. A
But you know, this is just one Christians opinion.
This is not an open door to ask whatever you choose. I answer questions I am knowledgeable or have an idea about, or care to answer. I wont go off topic or feed into such bait as mentioned above.
I find it humorous that this thread is asking Christians a question but non Christians supposedly already "know" why? Do we have mind readers in here? Otherwise I do believe your statements are biased and inaccurate.
How did you get so smart and you're only 28????
One thing - Even if someone seems to be just dissing me with a question, I might give a prayerful and thoughtful answer which God can use. It can be a seed that will work, later. And here in forums others can read and benefit from what I offer
This is important. I wouldn't go up to a Muslim information table and ask the students "How do you justify the fact that your holy book says ____?!" There aren't any good intentions there.I'm going to point out that any question that starts out with an explicit or implied:
"How do you justify"
is more an attack than a question. That such questions often result in a counter attack is little surprise. Few have the self control to repeatedly turn the other cheek.
I believe there is the spirit of evil in existence and God who is good did not bring it into existence. So, He manages it, in vessels (evil spirits and evil humans . . . Romans 9:21) for the sake of organization of it, on its way to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.How do you reconcile the problem of evil?
I think a number of people are major suckers for their own so-called free wills, and without God they get themselves into all sorts of major messes. They do not control themselves well. They do not freely choose to get free of their spiritual and emotional troubles and torments and bad relationships.How do you reconcile the problem of free will?
And our point is, what has led you to make this claim, considering that many Christian scholars spend their whole careers doing the exact same thing? Why are you assuming he has ill intentions simply because he isn't a member of your religion?I stand by the claim that you seek to undermine the faith of people as a former Christian of 40 years who joins a Christian forum and argues against faith.
Or perhaps he knows himself better than you do, and you're simply having trouble grasping how scholarship works.When you play the innocent, misunderstood victim then I think you are not being honest about your motives.
That was nice of him, I suppose.A few years back some atheists on a Dutch atheist forum asked me some tough questions and especially one ex christian, who writes books like Dawkins and first warned me to better leave because he thought I needed my belief.
Eek. The only reason why I would try to pull someone away from theism completely is if it became apparent that the person really just couldn't function as a theist (for example, if the person couldn't handle being a theist without having terrible anxiety about Hell).He tries to pull people from their faith and he admits doing this.
I believe there is the spirit of evil in existence and God who is good did not bring it into existence. So, He manages it, in vessels (evil spirits and evil humans . . . Romans 9:21) for the sake of organization of it, on its way to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.
Interesting. If God did not bring evil into existence, do you believe he simply allowed it to happen and had no desire to stop it?
But no person I know has ever told me this or taught this, that I am aware of. But I do not believe God or any created being brought the spirit of evil into existence > there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," Paul says in Ephesians 2:2.
If God or no created being brought evil into existence, then who did?
Right now, God is in control of all the evil, and with Him we can do any good that is possible, no matter what evil there is > "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)
If you believe God is in control of evil, how do you believe he controls it and when does he allow evil to happen or not happen?
That was nice of him, I suppose.
The first time I had a theological discussion with a fundamentalist was when I started university. Another girl was talking to her about it, and I joined in. She believed that the Bible is historically accurate and that the world is only a few thousand years old. She came from a town where this was not questioned and she had never been expected to back it up before, so she became distressed by the lack of evidence and asked if we could stop talking about it. I, of course, respected that. It's not my place to upset someone like that.
Eek. The only reason why I would try to pull someone away from theism completely is if it became apparent that the person really just couldn't function as a theist (for example, if the person couldn't handle being a theist without having terrible anxiety about Hell).
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