Why do Christians care?

Qutona · Jan 13, 2007

Ok then, this is a question I really want answered. You see, when somebody in one of my classes over heard that I was not a Christian, they went ballistic and started yelling. I tried to end the argument multiple times, and then eventually some other people came over and picked on me. I ended up in a corner with 2 people who were one of the few people that weren't practically at me.

That anecdote does have a point: why do you guys care if somebody is non-christian? That is one thing I respect about fellow Agnostics, Atheists, most Buddhists, and some others. When they learn that somebody is not an Agnostic, Atheist, Buddhist, ext. They don't feel sorry for you or attempt to attack your faith, the people I've met just shrug it off. What makes Christianity so different from that? Why can't I have my religion and you have yours?

Catherineanne · Jan 13, 2007

Qutona said:
Ok then, this is a question I really want answered. You see, when somebody in one of my classes over heard that I was not a Christian, they went ballistic and started yelling.

Some Christians are so insecure in their faith that they find it very difficult to exist in the same space as disbelief, in case they catch it.

However, they cannot admit this, so they will tell you that they are so concerned for your immortal soul that they end up shouting at you. This is not what Christ taught us to do, so you can disregard this excuse. It is not just Christians that behave like this; any shouting zealots of any faith are those most insecure in what they believe.

Anyone who is secure in their faith will not be threatened by any belief of yours, or anyone else's.

Qutona · Jan 13, 2007

Catherineanne said:
Some Christians are so insecure in their faith that they find it very difficult to exist in the same space as disbelief, in case they catch it.

Hmm... I find that quite interesting, considering that most Christians seem to hold Atheists and Agnostics with a deep disrespect. It doesn't just seem to be their faith, it seems to be "You don't believe what I believe, so I'm going to discriminate against you." There have been some respected people who appear to be quite firm in their faith, and yet they treat Atheists/Agnostics just as bad as "Weak Christians" if you will.

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." - George H. W. Bush.

Catherineanne said:
However, they cannot admit this, so they will tell you that they are so concerned for your immortal soul that they end up shouting at you. This is not what Christ taught us to do, so you can disregard this excuse. It is not just Christians that behave like this; any shouting zealots of any faith are those most insecure in what they believe.

Anyone who is secure in their faith will not be threatened by any belief of yours, or anyone else's.

I would be able to believe this if Christians who are quite firm (Like George H. W.) treated Atheists with more respect than they seem to. Thank you for the answer though.

Lisa0315 · Jan 13, 2007

Qutona said:
Ok then, this is a question I really want answered. You see, when somebody in one of my classes over heard that I was not a Christian, they went ballistic and started yelling. I tried to end the argument multiple times, and then eventually some other people came over and picked on me. I ended up in a corner with 2 people who were one of the few people that weren't practically at me.

That anecdote does have a point: why do you guys care if somebody is non-christian? That is one thing I respect about fellow Agnostics, Atheists, most Buddhists, and some others. When they learn that somebody is not an Agnostic, Atheist, Buddhist, ext. They don't feel sorry for you or attempt to attack your faith, the people I've met just shrug it off. What makes Christianity so different from that? Why can't I have my religion and you have yours?

Well, let me ask you a question. Do you think that at your age, ANY difference would cause this reaction? Maybe, your classmates are not as mature as you and it is not simply a case of Christianity vs Non-Christian.

Lisa

Qutona · Jan 13, 2007

Lisa0315 said:
Well, let me ask you a question. Do you think that at your age, ANY difference would cause this reaction? Maybe, your classmates are not as mature as you and it is not simply a case of Christianity vs Non-Christian.

Lisa

Hmm... you know, I actually did consider that point. However there is still the fact that people who seem plenty mature and are older than my classmates act similar. The quote by a former president of the United States above is another example of Atheists being descriminated against.

Lisa0315 · Jan 13, 2007

Qutona said:
Hmm... you know, I actually did consider that point. However there is still the fact that people who seem plenty mature and are older than my classmates act similar. The quote by a former president of the United States above is another example of Atheists being descriminated against.

Whoa! I missed that! Can you cite your source for this quote.

Lisa

solarwave · Jan 13, 2007

Those people acted really wrongly and don't show how all christians act, sorry to hear that happen.

Why can't I have my religion and you have yours?

Well christians shouldn't get at you by any means, and should respect your choice. But I suppose if we know something to be true, we what you to know to, not by being mean and ramming it down your mouth, but by saying it nicely. Not cos we care that you have different thoughts, but we care cos we wanna help.

Catherineanne · Jan 13, 2007

Qutona said:
I would be able to believe this if Christians who are quite firm (Like George H. W.) treated Atheists with more respect than they seem to. Thank you for the answer though.

If George II speaks like this, then it is out of a deep insecurity of faith. He is a very insecure man. If he were not so insecure, he would not be so dangerous.

You are perfectly right that all people deserve respect, because all people, without exception, are made in the image of God.

Lisa0315 · Jan 13, 2007

Can someone please give me a source for that quote? How do I know that it is real unless I see the source?

Lisa

Catherineanne · Jan 13, 2007

Lisa0315 said:
Can someone please give me a source for that quote? How do I know that it is real unless I see the source?

Lisa

Well, having some knowledge of George II would do the trick. With the caveat that just because the words state a particular thing very clearly, does not necessarily mean that he intended that meaning when he said them.

Lisa0315 · Jan 13, 2007

Catherineanne said:
Well, having some knowledge of George II would do the trick. With the caveat that just because the words state a particular thing very clearly, does not necessarily mean that he intended that meaning when he said them.

I am not even saying context. I just want to be sure that the quote is from an accurate source.

Lisa

prophecystudent · Jan 13, 2007

Catherineanne said:
Well, having some knowledge of George II would do the trick. With the caveat that just because the words state a particular thing very clearly, does not necessarily mean that he intended that meaning when he said them.

Sorry, but unless we are provided some source for the "quote" there is no basis to believe it was ever said, or that it was not taken out of context.

Fred

Avatar · Jan 13, 2007

Its George the father isn't it? H.W. not W.

Avatar · Jan 13, 2007

Gonna search for a source...

Avatar · Jan 13, 2007

One of 576 hits:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm

prophecystudent · Jan 13, 2007

Qutona said:
Ok then, this is a question I really want answered. You see, when somebody in one of my classes over heard that I was not a Christian, they went ballistic and started yelling. I tried to end the argument multiple times, and then eventually some other people came over and picked on me. I ended up in a corner with 2 people who were one of the few people that weren't practically at me.

I cannot answer for their behavior except to say that it was wrong, and that is not what Christ teaches. Please accept my apology on behalf of all Christians.

That anecdote does have a point: why do you guys care if somebody is non-christian?

We care because Christ gave us a job. That job is to bring the gospel of salvation to every unbeliever. We are required by The Great Commission to spread the word.

Unfortunately, in this case those who "attacked you" didn't do it with sensitivity and understanding.

Further, we care because we do not wish that anyone should spend eternity anywhere but in heaven. The alternative is too horrible to even describe adequately.

That is one thing I respect about fellow Agnostics, Atheists, most Buddhists, and some others. When they learn that somebody is not an Agnostic, Atheist, Buddhist, ext. They don't feel sorry for you or attempt to attack your faith, the people I've met just shrug it off.

Perhaps they don't care because they do not the truth about eternity. Further, if they knew that truth they don't care enough about you to try to help you.

What makes Christianity so different from that? Why can't I have my religion and you have yours?

You are perfectly free to have any religion you choose. We are bound to convey the truth, but to do it in love, not as an attack. Those who use the wrong method achieve the wrong goal, just as happened in this case.

Please feel free to exercise any religion, on none. Your decision affects only yourself.

Having said that, please do not lump all Christians into the same category, especially when it comes to those well-meaning, but wrong people who upset you.

Fred

Lisa0315 · Jan 13, 2007

Thank You. I am not sure how I feel about the source, though. Madeline O'Hare??? Regardless, it was a wrong thing to say. In today's world of Political Correctness, (Clinton and after), this would have been all OVER the news. hmm...I am going to see if it was EVER reported by FOX or CNN. This is pretty bad.

Lisa

Key · Jan 13, 2007

Qutona said:
Ok then, this is a question I really want answered. You see, when somebody in one of my classes over heard that I was not a Christian, they went ballistic and started yelling. I tried to end the argument multiple times, and then eventually some other people came over and picked on me. I ended up in a corner with 2 people who were one of the few people that weren't practically at me.

That anecdote does have a point: why do you guys care if somebody is non-christian? That is one thing I respect about fellow Agnostics, Atheists, most Buddhists, and some others. When they learn that somebody is not an Agnostic, Atheist, Buddhist, ext. They don't feel sorry for you or attempt to attack your faith, the people I've met just shrug it off. What makes Christianity so different from that? Why can't I have my religion and you have yours?

I would give a guess, but I believe it has something to do with the fact that you will end up in a place referred to as "Hell" and from the best of my understanding, this is not a nice place to be, so the idea is, to prevent you from going to this not nice place.

But that is just my take on it.

God Bless

Key

Merlin · Jan 13, 2007

Christianity isn't a religion. The other ideas you named are.

Christianity is a relationship with God.
Christians just want you to have the relationship too.

salida · Jan 13, 2007

Qut-

I'm sorry that had to get yelled at. In fact, I consider it a total disgrace that these quote christian reacted like this. A christian who follows Christ doesn't yell but shows the love of Christ to others no matter what their faith is. These christians need more of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Yelling isn't the nature of the Holy Spirit but things are done with unconditional love. Which is the perfect love of God.

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