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Yes, God finds your behavior insulting.
To err is human. But to deify one's own opinion is... also human.How interesting that God just happens to be offended by the same things that you personally are. That must be convenient.
I admit I did an error there, I was limiting God to my own feelings and sentiments, and everybody who limits God fails at apophatic and lived theology like our Church teaches, so I should have said in my opinion God feels insulted about it. My bad.How interesting that God just happens to be offended by the same things that you personally are. That must be convenient.
eudaimonia,
Mark
I don't think you know how much this message you just posted impacted me now, it solved a lot of doubts I had. Totally unexpected, I guess it's not bad having atheists here after all...To err is human. But to deify one's own opinion is... also human.
I honestly hope that it impacted you in some positive way (I cannot tell from your message). It was meant as tongue-in-cheek, not as an insult.I don't think you know how much this message you just posted impacted me now, it solved a lot of doubts I had. Totally unexpected, I guess it's not bad having atheists here after all...
No, Orthodoxy isn't a religion but a denomination within a major religion called christianity, and here I was talking about christianity, the religion we share the vast majority of members from this forum. Yes, Orthodoxy represents the fullness of the Church and I believe it because everything supports it, everyone willing to learn can learn.
Yes, God finds your behavior insulting. If I were God (may God forgive me for this blasphemous comparation), I wouldn't like people who don't believe in me neither what my Son did for the redemption of them, my children to come in a place where those who believe in me gather and to try to take them away from me, saying I don't exist, the religion I gave to humanity is a lie, the Books I inspired are fake and my Church is corrupted. Everyone with a little common sense would have noticed this, so asking wether God finds this offending or not is pretty naive, if you enter to my house to spread lies and insults about me I would be offended.
Yes, it really was, it really helped me grow in my faith and it shreded some light over some theological issues.I honestly hope that it impacted you in some positive way (I cannot tell from your message). It was meant as tongue-in-cheek, not as an insult.
Exactly, it's not human at all and not to say it's not christian at all, and it has to be stopped.I understand that you're just making an analogy...and I couldn't agree more.
Imagine if someone had the audacity to come to your house (say every other Saturday for example) and tried to convince you that they know the "truth" and you don't. Imagine if they tried to say that you should believe as they do...and even threatened you with eternal torture!
That would be fairly egregious in my eyes.
I am just surprisingly overwhelmed by the number of athiests and agnostics on Christian Forums. I'm not hating you for it, go head, do you! I was just wondering...why?
I don't believe in Buddha. But you don't see me arguing over him for hours, talking about him, thinking about him... I don't believe in Allah. But you don't see me arguing over him for hours, thinking about him, convincing others he's not true. I don't believe in Zeus or the other gods from mythology, but you don't see me on a Mythology Forum arguing why it's not true, spending hours debating over something I don't believe.
So why do atheists? I don't have any numbers, but from my observations over the years it seems like atheists are so... fired-up when it comes to disproving God. Why bother? If you don't believe it's true then why spend so much time, emotion, and energy convincing others you're right? To the point where you come to a Christian Forum? Why? What benefit are you receiving? Why not just be okay with it, "I don't believe in God, now I'm going to live my life." Why do you have to argue about Him all the time to the point to where it seems all you think about is how He's not real?
It seems so pointless. So, overall, why? Do you feel like it's your moral duty to try and convince the billions of people you're right? Is it the right thing to do in your eyes?
I just find it crazy how emotional atheists are over trying to debunk something they don't believe in, not specifically people on these forums but outside of it too.
Who are you trying to convince more, us or yourself?
The best way to speak with atheist, agnostics and humanist, is to not assume they have an agenda, but rather ask them honest questions and really get down to the bottom of their reasoning, then give them sound reasons that make sense for why you believe in God. Let them make their own assumptions from there, but try not to assume anything about them. Ultimately the truth will speak for itself, no assumptions needed.
God bless!
That is the same way I approach a theist. I ask simple straight forward questions and I have yet to hear a rational and or logical reason to believe in a God. All the reasons are completely faith based (which is cool) but not everyone has the same psychological need for faith beliefs.
That's great I'm glad you do that, but we can't both be right, which is why the truth will speak for itself. I predict you'll start to come across more and more Christians who seem really reasonable up until they explain why they believe in God then you will determine they are unreasonable when in fact it's you who is being unreasonable without realizing it. Again the truth will speak for itself, truth does not rely on me or you to be true.
Exactly, it's not human at all and not to say it's not christian at all, and it has to be stopped.
That's great I'm glad you do that, but we can't both be right, which is why the truth will speak for itself. I predict you'll start to come across more and more Christians who seem really reasonable up until they explain why they believe in God then you will determine they are unreasonable when in fact it's you who is being unreasonable without realizing it. Again the truth will speak for itself, truth does not rely on me or you to be true.
Perhaps you know nothing about Orthodoxy, my Church, our history, and our christianity, because we are completely different than you think. Read, learn and study about our theology, our tradition, our history and you will see that all that "nonsense" talked by "christians" coming to your house is nothing to us because our world is completely different.Well how about a deal then? When christians stop coming to my house (my actual home, not some metaphorical "house of god") trying to spread their nonsense...I'll gladly stop posting on a man-made website that allows for discussion between people of differing views/opinions.
Sound good to you?
Obviously you didn't see my response to Eudamonist correcting myself and apologising because you were too busy searching for that picture in order to ridiculize me and to look superior than me by doing it.
I think it is perfectly reasonable for a christian to say they believe in a God based on faith and I have no issues with that and will never question it.
I only challenge them, when the following occurs and it happens quite often on this site:
-The christian claims they are morally superior to me
-The christian claims I can have no meaning to my life without believing in God
-The christian claims to have objective evidence to support their belief in a God
-The christian claims I have not looked hard enough for God and I am being led by evil
-The christian intentionally misrepresents well evidenced reality, in order to protect their belief
If they can stay away from the above, it is perfectly reasonable to have a faith belief in a God and it may be the best thing for that particular person, if it helps them live a better life.
Perhaps you know nothing about Orthodoxy, my Church, our history, and our christianity, because we are completely different than you think. Read, learn and study about our theology, our tradition, our history and you will see that all that "nonsense" talked by "christians" coming to your house is nothing to us because our world is completely different.
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