After he made the covenant with Abraham, why didn't he just terminated the bloodlines of others? Did He make a mistake? Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to tell Abraham go forth and multiply and bring his offspring to the Promised Land after the non-Abrahams died off? Had he done that, God would not have to repeatedly smite the enemies of Jews.
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Why didn't God neuter the non-Abraham's lines?
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Implying that God made a mistake would be a "mistake" for even a Buddhist to make. And why do you presume to know what God should or shouldn't do. Are you here to learn about Christianity or to just deny it and bash it around.
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How is it bashing? How would I know before hand that it's a mistake to even make that suggestion? It maybe a dumb question but how is it bashing? God had second thought when He wanted to wipe out His creation, then a second thought about that second thought when He decided to save Noah and his family.
This is my continuation of other thread of what is a Gentile. From that thread, I learned that Jew, for some, is strictly referred to the descendants of Abraham. Apparently, there are fine distinctions among Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew.
Again, at the time of the Covenant, I'm not aware that Abraham was in a life and death struggle against the non-Jews. It would seem more humane to neuter the non-Jews than having God intervened and smite the non-Jews from time to time. But then, who am I to disagree with God?
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God allows free will to all mankind - to the righteous and wicked- in the old and new testament. Also, its the same reason a parent won't kill a child because he disobeys-he loves them and has mercy on them.
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OK maybe your not bashing but a lot of atheists, unbelievers and others come here just to argue their points of unbelief instead of asking questions about Christianity with a desire to maybe believe which is what this forum is for.
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Everything God does is for His perfect plan. God could always choose to do the easy thing, but instead, God chooses to do that which is ultimately good. (If you don't know what I mean by that, think: better than best) God brought his chosen people through adversity for their betterment. So, to have gotten rid of any possible adversity beforehand would have gone against his purpose in the long term.
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It's in the scripture. God gave Abraham the Promised Land. The Promised Land was occupied by pagans and were put to the swords by Joshua. It would have been more merciful to terminate the bloodline of these pagans' ancestors at the time of covenant.
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Maybe I need to work on my reading comprehension. I'm specifically referred of the time line from the Covenant and to the time that Joshua conquered the Promised Land. Joshua proclaimed the greatness of God, that He promised and delivered the Land to the Jews. Since God knew ahead of time that Joshua would enter and kill all the pagans, wouldn't it be simpler to neuter these pagans or drive them out with a plague 30 years earlier? His plan of delivering the Promised Land to the Jews would have been fulfilled up to that point. I'm not referring to any of His plan after that since no one know but Him.
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That's odd, because the same Bible you say you've read and are presumably basing your post on spells it out quite clearly.
God's purpose in making His covenant with Israel was to make Israel a light unto the nations and call the surrounding pagan nations to repent. It was, in effect, God's first evangelism plan.
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Firstly, I thought I answered this here. However, "any of his plan after that" is one and the same plan.
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If you read the book of Jonah you will see that God gives people a chance to repent. The people Jonah spoke to did and they didnt get smitten!
There is a passage in Acts where the Apostles gather to discuss about whether to allow gentiles into the company of faith in Jesus. James, Jesus' brother quotes a passage from Amos which says
Amos 9v11
In that day I will restore Davids fallen shelterI will repair its broken walls and restore its ruins and will rebuild it as it used to be, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name," declares the LORD.
Now it may be hard for us to understand, but what God is saying is that all the nations that bear my name are gentiles which believe in him and join with Jews to serve him.
If God had gone wiping out people after Abraham and before Joshua many people who later on repented and turned to him would not have had a chance to do so.
Remember that God does not live in time and space and so knows the end from the beginning.
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