Why didn't god forgive us without jeasus....what's changed?

Serapha,

Is it not written that He was pierced for our trangressions and by His stripes we were healed? And is it not written that He said, "...take, eat, this is My body...then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying. Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." What other doctrines does one need but teachings such as these?

Peace-

domi said:

*sigh* i just don't get it........it's not like there is n e thing worng witht hey way that ur explaining it just way to many explinations at conce......i dunno iof it's possible but if liek some person can answer my quetionn everyday or one person poats so i can read that and then someone else and i can read that andi can repond individaly instad of all at once....that would be MUCH eaiser for me......as for reading about someone eles option about the bible......i rather read it my self......and dreaw my own conclusions......
thanks agian
Domi

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Domi,
As Raphe said, just take your time. You happened to ask a very deep question which is not easy to answer in one go. If you want you can PM me and we can go one question at a time.
Bless you ...

domi said:

Jesus is the son of god aka god and he died to forgive our sins because when he was sent down by god *himself very confusing* it was because god was ready for forgive us. But if Jesus was god then why would he have to die to forgive us? If he had it in his mind to forgive us then why doesn't he just do that without having to sacrifice himself or n e thing else for that matter........ Talking about forgiving sins what sins have been forgiven and or changed science Jesus died for us. As far as i know from the nice life application bible aka the best bible on the face of the planet..... God punished us by making woman go though child birth and making them subordinate to men and making men work for a living.....which is exaclty what's still going on yah? so what's changed?

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-Domi

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What changed honey was that God, in His mercy and wisdom, decided He wanted to have the whole world to know and love Him.
Up till the time of Jesus, only the Jews knew about God - and knew that He was going to send His Son to earth - for the world.

God needed a PERFECT sacrifice in order to forgive us. Nothing really changed.

Yes, actually, you lose health every time you don't say something. Health is based on how many posts you make per day - you need to do 3 to be at 100%. So as time passes it goes down...

Christians believe that Jesus was (and is) the only perfect human being. He is fully and completely God while at the same time being fully and completely man - try and get your head around that.

But one day I will be perfect as well - it's not something that's totally incompatible with being human. The main reason I believe Jesus was perfect, though, is because the Bible says so:

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. (Hebrews 4:14-16)

God dying wasnt just God finally choosing to forgive us, God forgave all through the old testament. but something had to die, becuase the consequence of sin is death, so God chose to die himself. and God chose the time that he did because it was the perfect time to not only die but to through his death begin to spread the gospel to the entire world.
the way the roman world was advancing at the time, and the road systems and travel had just gotten to where they were, it was the perfect time to spread the gospel throughout the world. if he had come much earlier, it wouldnt have worked. and think, the holyspirit coming in the book of acts happened to be during a large jewish that all jews came too, were God could do not only give his spirit, but show it to all jewish people at one time.
the timing had to be right.

i dont tend to think of birth pains and tiling the ground, as Gods punishment. but rather God telling them what the consequenses where to what they had done, its the effect of sin in our bodies and in this earth.
and it will remain untill corruptible puts on incorruptible, or untill God comes and redeems it all.

People used to make sacrifices to God in order to be forgiven, but Jesus is the official sacrifice and the only one we need anymore.

oh.....God didnt make women subordinant to men.

God informed wives to submit or that is GIVE, to their husbands. theres a big diffrence.
but the bible specificly says to husband and wife to submit to one another. but to submit means to GIVE, not be ruled over.
husbands do not have rule over their wives. a husband does what hes called to do in a family and function in his role of being more responsible for certain things, but he is called to love and cherish that beautiful, wonderful, tender, soft, lovely, profound, wise, powerful, more tender vessel, his wife. but the bible says in proverbs 31 that the the virtuous woman also takes care of her husband and children, husbands also depend on their wives. neither can truely function in life the way they need to seperate from each other, they both depend on each other. its an equal relationship.

ive seen some precious young ladies say they didnt want to ever get married, becuase they felt like God would tell them do whatever some overbearing raging hormone, ogre of man wanted them to do. they felt like God would tell them to allow themselves to be forced into sexual things they didnt want to, other things they didnt want to, becuase the man ruled....
and i dont care who you are, your heart has to go out to them and say, hey, Gods not like that, and thats not how its going to be. becuase they were genunely afraid....
but God doesnt do that. marriage is just as much a joy for the wife, as it is for the husband.
the mans body is not his own, but his wifes. and the wifes body is not her own but her husbands. the man is obligated to pleasure the woman, not himself. and the woman is obligated to pleasure the man, not herself. and if one gets selfish and out of line, then God with surely deal with them.

Domi,
We are not told to be subservient to our husbands as if we are their slaves.
It means to defer to them ( to listen to them, ask their opinion and value that opinion,), to ALLOW them to have the lead in the marriage. To allow them the absolute final say after all options have been looked at and discussed between you. If you disagree then say so, if you feel something goes against what you're comfortable with, then say no. We do have a choice Domi. If you notice,the first verse says, we are to be subject one to another.. husbands and wives. It does say, wives be subject to your own husbands but it also says how the man is to treat his wife too... as Christ would treat His church. He is to love his wife just as he loves his own flesh. The man is the head only because God has made him responsible for the decisions in the family, so he needs to make the right decisions, and the wife ought to help him do that, and he ought to ask the wife's opinion so she can help him. These verses make it clear that God expects more from the man, and he has more responsiblity in loving and looking after his wife...



(Eph 5:21) and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.

(Eph 5:22) Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

(Eph 5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

(Eph 5:24) But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

(Eph 5:25) Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

(Eph 5:26) so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,

(Eph 5:27) that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

(Eph 5:28) So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself;

(Eph 5:29) for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church,

(Eph 5:30) because we are members of His body.

(Eph 5:31) FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.

(Eph 5:32) This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

(Eph 5:33) Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.

domi

not really, and not just men in general.
but when you find a husband God wants both of you to GIVE to each other.

it isnt that the man is in charge, but the woman is supposed to give to the man, things, feelings, life, pleasure, obedience....
but the man is also required to do the VERY SAME to his wife.
it is a completely equal relationship, serving God.

the bible doesnt just tell women to submit or serve, it tells men and women husband and wife to give, submit or serve one another.

men must also serve their wives and submit to their wives, becuase his body is not his own, its hers. the same as my body is not my own but its been bought with a price and its God and i must serve God. but the bible also says i am not my own, but im am my wife's. so i must serve and submit to her also the same way i do God.

but its not this overbearing kind of thing,
when you find a Godly man, the man your supposed to be with, hell never exploit or hurt you, and it will be his pleasure to get you things and please you materially and emotionally, you will be his world! hell love you like hes your prince in shining armor!
and he is called to serve you just as much as your called to serve him.
you serve each other.

when i find this lady i keep calling my wife one day,
it will be my Joy to wipe all her tears away, give her the best, by her a new rose everyday, give her a valentines day everymonth, give her a happy aniversary day every month, do all that i can for her, pour my whole life and being into making her happy! everyday! and shell love me for it!
and ohhh shell give me what i want in return!
but its that equal relationship... that mutual relationship.

in the book of dueteronomy it says that under the old law, moses required that when a man married.
it was his requirement, to then take a full year off.
and not work, and not go to war... but to take one year, the first year, and devote it entirely to nothing but making her happy!
A FULL YEAR HONEYMOON!

thats how good, men of God love and treat their wives.
thats how im going to treat myne.
and thats how your husband will treat you if you wait on Gods timing and will and pray for him and do your part.

Godbless
Lee.

man, i so look forward to finding my one and only.... one day.
ive got beautiful wedding pictures and cards on my wall that i look at everyday, and it keeps that fire kindled in me, ive got a picture of my wife on my wall that so tactfully shows all but a face, with the beautiful white gown and the flowers in her hands... see im getting ready, so when it happens it will just be transition, smooooth..... ill be fully prepared to give her the ride and time of her life in everyway! gettin setup.

i need her so much, and i want her so much, i dont know her yet but when i find her...man ill never let her go.
i will pour myself out like water into her, it will be my greatest joy to nurture and cherish her and give her the lovliest things and the loveliest life i can give, through the grace and power of Christ.
my first and most important calling throughout my life, will be to my wife.
everything and everyone except God... comes after that beautiful woman, becuase she will become a part of me and have something no one else will ever have and require something from me no one else ever can becuase of the intamicy that we have but give to no one else.

man i want to write her poetry, buy her roses and candies... call her up at work just to say "hey baby, i wanted make sure you know you i love you with a HOT HOT love...got something good waiting on you at home baby, got a little something steamy cookin up for ya..." gonna make her get a speeding ticket coming home and shell be breathin hot and heavy before she even gets to the door, but the ticket will be ok cus im gonna have the bread, the money,
and a tender compassionate gentle love that could never move to hurt or betray her, the jewel of my soul.

and man im gonna be brad pitt, frank sinatra, and Jesus all in one, im gonna be her prince on a white horse, her knight in shining armor, im gonna be one bad man! im gonna kill every dragon for my princess and queen! and Mr. GQwannaBE down the road better watch out and stay from my drive way or hell messed up, but you dont need to look at the nice cars that drive by when you have a Ferrari in the garage.... so, by the grace of God im going to be all she needs and wants! and i wont have to worry about that one.... hehe
baby shes gonna be able to put my name in psalm 23 and say the whole thing about me and what i do for her.
im gonna be that good to her.

hehe Godbless.
Lee.