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Why do you disagree with Predestination? Do you think it's unbiblical, or is it just something you find to be terrible and unjust?
Thank you! I will listen to it today. Is the speaker your pastor?Here you go. It's called Sovereign Grace Bible Chapel. Right now, we meet in the cafeteria of the local middle school, but I've heard that they're trying to find a legitimate building to meet in.
Church website: sgbchapel.com
Last Sunday's sermon: http://sgbchapel.com/index.php/sermons/sermon/162-the-believer-s-contradiction
(Eph 1:3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:Oh yeah. The one thing I don't understand about predestination is how the elect become elect. It's probably not a matter of the heart, because all hearts are sinful and all are equally able to be changed by God. It's not a matter of situation, because Christians come from pretty much every background imaginable, so my question is, "what are God's reasons for electing?" I guess we would have to wait until we got to Heaven to ask him.
I hope you don't mind if I answer. Being a cessationist means that you believe that the gifts such as healing, speaking in tongues and prophecy etc. have ceased. They died with the Apostles. They were for the early church and are no longer needed as we have the full canon of Scripture.Can you explain what being cessationist means?
I personally chose Baptism because it was the most biblically sound, in my opinion. I did grow up with the Baptist church, but I wouldn't have stuck with it if it weren't sound.
What are your reasons for choosing? And if you come from another denomination, please explain why you chose as well. Just no debating.
Yes. His name is Mark Fuss. Glad I can help!Thank you! I will listen to it today. Is the speaker your pastor?
I guess I hadn't thought of that subject before, but I kind of agree. Why prophecy if the final prophecy is already written in Revelation?I hope you don't mind if I answer. Being a cessationist means that you believe that the gifts such as healing, speaking in tongues and prophecy etc. have ceased. They died with the Apostles. They were for the early church and are no longer needed as we have the full canon of Scripture.
I hope you don't mind, but could you elaborate on the spin you say Calvinism puts on predestination?im not either.
predestination is in the Bible because God already knew that people would need a saviour, so he sent his only begotten son Jesus to save mankind. He had chosen the Israelites to be his special people but from them Jesus is the Messiah, and not only for the Israelites but for the Gentiles as well. Jesus was always predestined right from the beginning, and we, his creations i.e mankind to be His people and live with Him forever.
Thats all it means. Calvinism puts a weird spin on predestination to mean something else.
Sometimes I screw up with that. Thank you for clearing that up.I was raised in a Baptist church. I have analysed all things thoroughly, and I have found it to be biblically accurate in all things. Therefore, I choose to remain with the Baptists.
By the way, ‘Baptism’ is not a denomination. The denomination is ‘the Baptists’. Baptism is the act of baptising.
I'm not trying to get into a debate, I just want to know where your thoughts are coming from. I don't understand why you think Calvinists are wrong which is why I'm asking.no sorry I don't want to get into debates with calvinists. I just know they are wrong. I already explained what predestination means.
Sorry.
If you want to discuss things with a calvinist, go to the 'debate with a calvinist' part of CF, not here. Its boring.
Picking and choosing churches based on that singular aspect of theology strikes me funny. I grew up in the Assemblies of God, which sees Calvinism as essentially a heresy. In my adolescence they challenged me to read through the whole Bible, which is what actually brought me to become, essentially, a Calvinist, though I didn't know what it was called, at first. For the first thirty years of my life I was attending churches that thought Calvinism was a bad thing. I can't say that I was scarred for life. I can't say that they weren't brothers and sisters in Christ. It really didn't matter at all.
Coming to the Baptist church was a factor of two things. The first was a bit of luck. A construction zone caused my wife to miss a connecting bus, so she stopped in at a nearby Baptist church to wait for me to pick her up. We liked the place, so we've been attending ever since. The second factor is simply that I've always respected Baptists. They've always seemed level-headed, and they always seem to fall on the right side of moral issues. I thought they would be a little more stodgy than this, but my church seems a little more relaxed than the typical Baptist stereotype. They haven't thrown me out yet, so they couldn't be too stodgy (if you saw me, you'd know what I mean).
I can't actually bring myself to call myself a Baptist. I only say that I attend a Baptist church. In my home, growing up, the Baptists were seen as an often blasphemously cessationistic group. All kinds of miracles, it would seem, could be attributed to the Devil, but nothing could ever be attributed to the Holy Spirit, as it was presented by a Baptist radio show host in our area (Mark 3:22). My current church is cessationist, and while I'm not too happy about it I have to admit that I wasn't too happy about the charismatic church that I was previously attending. I guess the pendulum has swung the other way, for now. The important thing is that I've found a church I can attend, without walking out on the sermons. That's definitely a step in the right direction.
no sorry I don't want to get into debates with calvinists. I just know they are wrong. […]
Calvinists tend to have an elitist attitude towards anyone who is not calvinist.
That is not christian, at all.
Its not just that they are different as all denoms have difference, but they have an attitude of, we are spriitually better than you because of John calvins thinking. Well, not true. […]
That may be just a handful of people you're talking about. I mostly refer to the bible when I have problems and I only refer to other people if I don't understand a passage. And I'm pretty much elitist, but only when it comes to gaming (Computer gaming FTW ).Calvinists tend to have an elitist attitude towards anyone who is not calvinist.
That is not christian, at all.
Its not just that they are different as all denoms have difference, but they have an attitude of, we are spriitually better than you because of John calvins thinking. Well, not true.
If anyone is spiritually better or chosen it is Jesus. He is our head, not calvin.
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