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Why did Michael Servetus go to Geneva where he got burned by Calvin's Reformed community?

Why did Servetus go to Geneva?

  • To confront and debate Calvin

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • Because Servetus had supporters there

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Because Geneva appeared more secure than Italy for religious dissidents/"heretics"

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Because he wanted to be or was connected to resistance to Calvin's political control there

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It was just a stop on a route to Italy and he didn't have other plans there

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (explain).

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • Total voters
    4
  • Poll closed .

rakovsky

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This is the infamous story where John Calvin instigated the execution of Servetus for denying the doctrine of the Trinity. Servetus taught that Jesus and the Father could not be different "persons" and "hypostases", because they were "one". (John 10:30) My personal opinion, is that as a matter of logic and Tradition, one must differentiate the the two as "persons". The most I could agree with Servetus is that they shared the same "hypostasis", using that term in its Biblical and etymological meaning (substance).

What I find especially interesting about this case though is what it shows about Calvin in real life. On the surface, Michael Servetus went to Geneva, Switzerland, which was under the Reformed Protestants (ie. Calvin et al., not the Lutherans), just because he was fleeing the Inquisition in France. It was an officially unexplained stopover, and he and Geneva portrayed things as if he were just caught while in attempted hiding, unbeknownest to the official Genevan government and public. End of Story.


Servetus in portrait and in background

Is this, however, the real, full story?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus#Imprisonment_and_execution


Geneva 1550

http://reformedanswers.org/answer.asp/file/39726

Note the claim in bold from the "Reformed" website above that Servetus believed in executing Calvin. There is no citation for this. Indeed, the book Did Calvin Murder Servetus quotes Servetus as opposing the killing of heretics.(pp.20-21)

Before coming to Geneva,
http://uudb.org/articles/michaelservetus.html

http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/servetus.html

One curious thing, I find, is Servetus' escape from French prison before coming to Geneva. Calvin, by the way, said in March 1553 that he did not get Servetus arrested in order to get him killed because he was against killing heretics, but this is curious as 6 months or so later he advocated Servetus' death. What is curious about the arrest though is that Servetus was also well known in France as a doctor involved in scientific discoveries. His arrest was not at France's own instigation. I'm sure that true, unabetted escapes from medieval Inquisition prisons happened, but I think that they were rare. It would not surprise me then if Servetus was aided in his escape. The writer Stanford Rives writes that Servetus escaped due to the jailer's negligence. (Did Valcin Murder Servetus?_

The Earl Morse Wilbur's Our Unitarian Heritage says about the Inquisition's trial in France:

The book Did Calvin Murder Servetus?
By Stanford Rives, does not take the view that Servetus' presence in Geneva was unknown to Calvin before Servetus' arrest. Rives explains that Servetus saw God's creative "Word" as a manifestation of God, and that Servetus concluded that this meant Christ, the Father, and the Holy Spirit were all "one", not separate "persons". Rives goes on to say this was reasonable enough that Italian Protestants supported Servetus and decried his execution in Geneva, and asks: "Hence the question comes to mind why did Servetus turn from satefy in Italy to end up in Geneva that Sunday in August 1553? Why would he make his face so prominently visible to Calvin?"
https://books.google.com/books?id=M... OR miguel servetus geneva italy 1553&f=false


Rives proposes that it is clear that Calvin was responsible for exposing Servetus to the Inquisition in France and that even Geneva's court admitted it at the time. He concludes that Servetus came to Geneva to confront Calvin directly, and that this is why Servetus came to Calvin's church sermon. He notes that Geneva had not had religious based executions before under Protestantism, and that the Inquisition and Catholic religious institutes were closed there. Calvin was a major author of Geneva's new laws. Further, until then it had been a major, general Protestant objection that the Catholic inquisition killed heretics, stated in Luther's 95 theses and by Calvin himself at one point.
Further, under the the laws of the Catholic Inquisition, criminals were not convicted in other countries for heretical crimes they committed elsewhere, and so Servetus claimed that Geneva lacked jurisdiction, as his heresies were made when he was abroad. The formal punishment for blasphemy in Geneva was banishment, not arrest. Rives concludes that Servetus did not expected to get killed by Calvin.


Further, there were political factions in Geneva. Geneva decided in 1552 that Calvin could no longer teach "predestination", because it made God a tyrant. The Libertines, Calvin's opponents, were in power in the city, and so Servetus might expect their protection. Yet later that year, Calvin's ally Farel had Geneva pass a law saying that Calvin's Institutes were "God's holy doctrine" and could not be criticized. This is ironic considering Calvin's criticisms of "man-made" Catholic authoritarianism, and Rives proposes that news of this shameful law probably didn't spread far outside Switzerland to where Servetus would know about it.

Calvin had strong power in Geneva, beyond what one might expect. To attack him personally or his particular Protestant teachings was to risk criminal penalties. For example, a man named Gruet was tortured and burned for a placard calling Calvin a representative of the devil and of renegade priests, however Calvin himself noted that the placard was not in Gruet's handwriting. Rives lists other such cases on p. 418.

After Servetus' death, Calvin admitted in correspondence that the arresting accusation for Servetus was made on his advice and that he "engaged one to be the accuser" and "the accuser proceeded from me." This is interesting, because on p. 11, Rives says that Calvin later admitted that from March to August 1553, he knew that Servetus was in Geneva. So by the chronology of events:
Servetus was arrested in France, but escaped in April 1553, then in March-August Calvin knew he was in Geneva (but how can this be, if April comes after March?), and then in August Calvin in practice had Servetus arrested. So what was happening during those months when Genevans knew that Servetus was there? Why did no one in Geneva openly talk about this or take action, and then only in August did Calvin act? Rives says that at some point though, perhaps immediately after Servetus fled France, he went to Italy where he supporters were and only later went to Geneva. Rives cites alvin to that effect, but notes that Servetus says that he just went straight to Switzerland. Rives proposes that Servetus covered this up to protect his supporters in Italy.


I do remember a proposition by another author that Servetus may have come to and stayed in Geneva in coordination with people from the Libertine party who opposed Calvin. This may not be such a surprise considering that Servetus had supporters in Italy and people who helped him flee France, so he may have had supporters in Geneva too.
 

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That's one way to silence the opposition in a debate on God and theology. Burn the opponent at the stake and use green wood to send the message to any others that might think to take his place.

Savage men speaking on behalf of the Prince of peace. What a concept.
 
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use greenwood to send the message to any others that might think to take his place.

Savage men speaking on behalf of the Prince of peace. What a concept.

Yes. What you write is a coincidentally close mirror of what the immigrant Minus Celsus said in that era. Rives writes:
An Italian immigrant to switzerland Minus Celsus... decried that he came to join the Reformation but found it persecuted each other... "by roasting the living man with a slow fire" which even the wildest Cannibals did not do.
However, Rives seems to suggest that this was not really a simple matter of killing people for disagreeing with God, as your post might suggest. If Servetus had just been one of the various other nonstandard religious groups, it might not matter. Rather, Servetus was intensely abrasive in his doctrinal fights with Calvin. And Calvin, based on Rives' book, was authoritarian in his personality, perhaps to the level of psychopathy. Rives even considers whether an insanity defense could be made on Calvin's behalf, but ultimately rejects it because of the careful thought Calvin put into achieving Servetus' death.
 
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John Calvin was prideful and a despot. I'd agree insanity may not be a proper diagnosis because of his calculated planning of the dogma he taught and the persecution he pursued against his detractors.
Someone who's trained in psychology and who know Calvin's history may know what diagnosis would fit.

Maybe he was just a bad person who got off on hurting people that disagreed with him because his self-esteem was in the basement. And killing or locking away adversaries silenced his detractors and made him feel smugly superior.
I'd think that would by consequence of those actions gain him adherents out of fear they'd be next.

Calvin, the Tyrant of Geneva
Fr. Leonel Franca, S.J.
 
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Your thinking fascinates me, Blondepudding. What are your beliefs on religion? How does one find Truth?

Look at the suffering in the world. Christianity gives an attempted answer and gives with confidence an answer of salvation. It's extremely appealing psychologically and emotionally.

If one is not in the Church, where does one go for vital spiritual needs?
 
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Since we are in the Conspiracy Theory section, I might as well point out that there is a Conspiracy Theory about Calvin. According to some conspiracy theories, the Templars, under their Red Cross, hid with their massive wealth in Switzerland after France banned them. These theorists connect Switzerland's independence, militancy, wealth, and red cross symbols with the Templars. One conspiricist website claims that Calvin was connected with the Templars and Rosicrucians:
http://enjoyingthejourney.blogspot.com/2006/06/john-calvin-orginally-cohen-then-cauin.html

See also the conspiricist site:
https://watch.pair.com/reformation-2.html

Please note, by the way, that I am not actually advocating this theory, and Calvin's ethnicity does not itself matter, and in any case he wrote anti-Semitic statements.

This debunking site says:

http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/08/was-john-calvin-jewish.html

As to another alleged "hidden" side of Calvin, a modern biographer of Calvin, A. McGrath, writes:
Jerome Bolsec, with whom Calvin crossed swords in 1551... published his Vie de Calvin at Lyons in June 1577. Calvin, according to Bolsec, was irredeemably tedious and malicious, bloodthirsty and frustrated. He treated his own words as if they were the word of God, and allowed himself to be worshipped as God. In addition to frequently falling victim to his homosexual tendencies, he had a habit of indulging himself sexually with any female within walking distance. According to Bolsec, Calvin resigned his benefices at Noyon on account of the public exposure of his homosexual activities. Bolsec's biography makes much more interesting reading than those of Theodore Beza and Nicolas Colladon; nevertheless, his work rests largely upon unsubstantiated anonymous oral reports...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jérôme-Hermès_Bolsec
 
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The essay "The_Expurgation_of_Reason" gives an interesting proposal, and I tend to think the right one, for Servetus' escape:
http://www.frederick.com/The_Expurg...ting_the_Doctrines_of_John_Calvin-a-1151.html

The Catholic French Inquisition might have found it quite ironic that their evidence was practically founded on the letters that Calvin had sent them, while Calvin in their own eyes was himself a leading heretic. That is, from their viewpoint, Calvin was a heretic trying to get them to kill another heretic.
 
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