Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?

nightmares · Aug 15, 2023

oikonomia said:
Are you at all in any way involved or dabble in the occult?
Have you dabbled with any kind of paranormal, witchcraft, science of soul power, or other such esoteric discipline

I played Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines back in the day as a Malkavian

Does that count

nightmares · Aug 15, 2023

But seriously how do you get from "release humanity from this planet" to "are you involved in the occult"

oikonomia · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
I played Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines back in the day as a Malkavian

Does that count

After watching about 50 seconds of something I knew nothing about, the game Malkavian, it would count probably.

oikonomia · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
But seriously how do you get from "release humanity from this planet" to "are you involved in the occult"

Seriously, sometimes when my early impression of someone is they are intellectual and inquisative.
But the talk seems to gravtitate towards wilder expressions a vague hatred towards the world, . . . "I hate the world!"
Well, I wonder how much certain thoughts are being kind of pushed into their mind by other intelligence of a
nature of spiritual conflict.

We can damage our spirit.
We can open doors to realms, the influence of which lingers.
We can "give ground" to the demonic.

Exposure to the demonic realm can cause a man to unware, be a channel for wild hatred and irrational
repulsion at some things related to normal human life.

My search for truth gave rise to the need to examine- "How much of this is actually my thought? And how much
is being pushed into my thought from opening the door to occult forces?"

Sometimes a man has to take back ground in his heart given away to wicked spirits.
Sometimes when one does not take any step toward God, there is "peace."
But when one takes steps closer to God, curiously troubled irrational resentments began to want to spew out.

PsaltiChrysostom · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
But seriously how do you get from "release humanity from this planet" to "are you involved in the occult"

I've been playing D&D since 1979 and I still haven't been able to cast "fireball" at my coworkers... I must be a terrible cultist.

nightmares · Aug 15, 2023

oikonomia said:
Seriously, sometimes when my early impression of someone is they are intellectual and inquisative.
But the talk seems to gravtitate towards wilder expressions a vague hatred towards the world, . . . "I hate the world!"
Well, I wonder how much certain thoughts are being kind of pushed into their mind by other intelligence of a
nature of spiritual conflict.

We can damage out spirit.
We can open doors to realms, the influence of which lingers.
We can "give ground" to the demonic.

Exposure to the demonic realm can cause a man to unware, be a channel for wild hatred and irrational
repulsion at some things related to normal human life.

My search for truth gave rise to the need to examine- "How much of this is actually my thought? And how much
is being pushed into my thought from opening the door to occult forces?"

Sometimes a man has to take back ground in his heart given away to wicked spirits.
Sometimes when one does not take any step toward God, there is "peace."
But when one takes steps closer to God, curiously troubled irrational resentments began to want to spew out.

Well I suggest you push back against the thoughts put in your head by evil spirits who don't want humanity to be set free

nightmares · Aug 15, 2023

PsaltiChrysostom said:
I've been playing D&D since 1979 and I still haven't been able to cast "fireball" at my coworkers... I must be a terrible cultist.

Maybe you love your job too much to lose it

Stop Laughing

oikonomia · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
Well I suggest you push back against the thoughts put in your head by evil spirits who don't want humanity to be set free

But I cannot do for you what you must learn to do.
I can recover ground I gave away.

If there is ground that you gave away, you have to cooperate with the Spirit of Christ to push back against
those who you may have relinquished such ground to.

nightmares · Aug 15, 2023

Evil spirits are not in someone who correctly calls for an end to this planet and the release of humanity

Only in someone who laughably calls it complaining, right Divide

Divide · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
I played Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines back in the day as a Malkavian

Does that count

Maybe. I'm not positive.

How about fortunetellers? Have you ever been to one of them? Also, do you read your horoscopes?

Divide · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
Evil spirits are not in someone who correctly calls for an end to this planet and the release of humanity

Only in someone who laughably calls it complaining, right Divide

But that's what you talk about. God is not going to let mankind get loose in the cosmos. It's coming to a head too fast. I think it might also be that it was a mere distraction to rob your time from a more productive way.

What you speak and what you think is who you become. It gets into your heart like a root of bitterness and begins to grow. until it fills your heart.

Scripture says, man speaks from the heart and is who he is. The power of life and death are in the tongue, so choose life. Because what you focus on is what you connect with (to your heart) and becomes who you are.

The Bible says, Be of good cheer I have overcome the world, fear not, have faith ask and it is shall be done knock and it shall be opened unto you...Positive thinking. Positive speaking. All of the prosperity preachers say it. All of the Psyche's say it, the more you say something the more you believe it. So instead of speaking about what life does not have and what's bad about this life, why not try celebrating the good things in life?

Have you ever seen that movie with Bill Murray called What About Bob?
I feel good I feel great I feel wonderful I feel good I feel great I feel wonderful, and on and on! That was funny but apparently it seems to be true.
The bible says it, the Authors of Books says it, the preachers. Secular or spiritual, they seem to agree for once, lol! Why not give it a try? It can't hurt.

Divide · Aug 15, 2023

nightmares said:
Evil spirits are not in someone who correctly calls for an end to this planet and the release of humanity

Only in someone who laughably calls it complaining, right Divide

How would you even know if you were demonized? Where they harass you and depress you and oout all sorts of bad thoughts into your head.

Have you ever said a binding prayer in your life? Ever prayed Psalm 91 over your life? Jesus in scripture gave us all power over evil spirits. They have to obey you in the namme of Jesus. Jesus told go out, cast out demons, heal the sick, raise the dead. So you need to say a binding prayer. You need to get your heart right with God. He will wash you in his blood so that you can live!

Aaron112 · Oct 1, 2023

nightmares said:
So what exactly is gained by reality he ultimately went with that couldn't have been done with a reality where there was no sin/death/Satan

Yahweh Created Wisdom first, Perfect Wisdom.......

and Created Everything in His Perfect Wisdom

with no error, no fault, no mistake ever, none at all, in His Perfection.

oikonomia · Oct 2, 2023

nightmares said:
Evil spirits are not in someone who correctly calls for an end to this planet and the release of humanity

Only in someone who laughably calls it complaining, right Divide

They do not have to be in a man in every regard in order to enfluence the thinking of a man.

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