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Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.If you answer ANYTHING other than 'nothing,' you're admitting that the person had at least an apparent history.
Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.
Can God create a stale loaf of bread tomorrow?
I take it, that's a 'yes'?Then the loaf would show obvious signs of history which can indicate age. It's that simple. No biggie.
I take it you now accept that maturity without history is meaningless, then?I take it, that's a 'yes'?
How about a new, mature loaf of bread made from very old ingredients? Wouldn't that new, mature loaf of bread have age embedded within it (ingredients) but still have no history since the bread itself is new? Would maturity without history make sense in this case?Then the loaf would show obvious signs of history which can indicate age. It's that simple. No biggie.
I take it you now accept that maturity without history is meaningless, then?
How about a new, mature loaf of bread made from very old ingredients? Wouldn't that new, mature loaf of bread have age embedded within it (ingredients) but still have no history since the bread itself is new? Would maturity without history make sense in this case?
Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.
Can God create a stale loaf of bread tomorrow?
I disagree.Indeed the bread would have imbedded history as well as imbedded staleness.
You write a paragraph on how He couldn't create Adam & Eve omphalos, then you sum it up by knocking embedded age?Anybody who genuinely thinks embedded age is a realistic proposition for what happened needs treatment.
Yup.How about a new, mature loaf of bread made from very old ingredients? Wouldn't that new, mature loaf of bread have age embedded within it (ingredients) but still have no history since the bread itself is new? Would maturity without history make sense in this case?
So would a fresh loaf of bread as well.Even if the created bread didn't go through those processes, it would have the appearance of having done so.
It might imply it, but to say it was so is saying incorrectly.Yes, but the staleness would imply the passage of time, aka, history.
It might imply it, but to say it was so is saying incorrectly.
This is why I'm trying to get a simple YES or NO out of you guys.
I don't know if you guys are saying, "No, it's impossible and here's why..."; or if you're saying, "Yes, but..."
Aren't you contradicting yourself here?Yes God could create a loaf of stale bread. Why he would want to create something that is old but not old, that would be deception. The parallel you are trying to draw is that God could created a stale loaf of bread just like he could create an old earth. The staleness of the bread implies that time has passed to make the bread stale. Staleness is history. You cannot have age without history.
Aren't you contradicting yourself here?
God would be deceptive, or the bread -- interpreted in line with how bread should arrive (i.e. fresh) -- would be deceptive?No, God could do it but if he did he would be deceiving.
It might imply it, but to say it was so is saying incorrectly.
This is why I'm trying to get a simple YES or NO out of you guys.
I don't know if you guys are saying, "No, it's impossible and here's why..."; or if you're saying, "Yes, but..."
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