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Why did Ananias and Sapphira had to die?

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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?
 

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Why did Ananias and Sapphira had to die?
The Holiness of the Holy Spirit was so concentrated there that it was the natural consequence of open sin* in His Presence, just like before the Ark of the Covenant.
  1. And it was not because of greed. Peter said that they were free to keep all of the money if they wanted to.
  2. It was only because they lied about keeping some of the money.
*Think of a toned-down version of the ending scene of Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981).
 
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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?

God does not change from the OT to the NT. Just the covenant has changed.

1 Corinthians 10:1-12 (WEB) Now I would not have you ignorant, brothers and sisters, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. 5 However with most of them, God was not well pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” [Exodus 32:6] 8 Let us not commit sexual immorality, as some of them committed, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell. 9 Let us not test Christ, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents. 10 Do not grumble, as some of them also grumbled, and perished by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come. 12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands be careful that he does not fall.

God is merciful, and God did grant Ananias and Sapphira a new beginning, indwelling these believers with His Holy Spirit to guide them. However, they rejected that new beginning to hold onto personal gain, and then lying about it to others to hide their selfishness, relying on their riches, rather than on God. But nothing is hidden from the Spirit of God.

1 Timothy 6:17-19 (WEB) 17 Charge those who are rich in this present world that they not be arrogant, nor have their hope set on the uncertainty of riches, but on the living God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy; 18 that they do good, that they be rich in good works, that they be ready to distribute, willing to share; 19 laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold of eternal life

God was showing that, even if he doesn't kill you on the spot for similar selfishness, he is still very serious about deliberate sin, and will certainly judge His people with harsher judgment than non-believers, because the believer has experienced God's grace, and His Spirit living in them, and then they rejected it for selfish gain.

Hebrews 10:24-31 (WEB)
24 Let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good works, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries. 28 A man who disregards Moses’ law dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think he will be judged worthy of who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance belongs to me. I will repay,” says the Lord. [Deuteronomy 32:35] Again, “The Lord will judge HIS people.” [Deuteronomy 32:36; Psalms 135:14] 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 12:25 (WEB) 25 See that you don’t refuse him who speaks. For if they didn’t escape when they refused him who warned on the earth, how much more will we not escape who turn away from him who warns from heaven

Luke 21:34-36 (WEB) 34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Galatians 5:24-25 (WEB) 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 (WEB) 3 For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in sanctification and honor, 5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God, 6 that no one should take advantage of and wrong a brother or sister in this matter; because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified. 7 For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification. 8 Therefore he who rejects this doesn’t reject man, but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.

Hebrews 4:11 (WEB) 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that Rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.

1 Peter 1:13-19 (WEB) 13 Therefore prepare your minds for action. Be sober, and set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ— 14 as children of obedience, not conforming yourselves according to your former lusts as in your ignorance, 15 but just as he who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior; 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy; for I am holy.” [Leviticus 11:44-45] 17 If you call on him as Father, who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, pass the time of your living as foreigners here in reverent fear, 18 knowing that you were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from the useless way of life handed down from your fathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ

2 Peter 1:8-11 (WEB) 8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to not be idle or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brothers and sisters, be more diligent to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never stumble. 11 For thus you will be richly supplied with the entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ
 
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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?
making example due to transition period, did same kind of things in transition of Moses covenant.
 
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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?
Welcome to CF. I have trouble with this account. Personally, I would have felt terrible if I took part in the death of two people because they decided to keep a possession. I believe Peter was pretty angry with both of them then exercised his gift which produced the miracle; death. The only way that I can be settled with this account is to see it as a display of the level of power given to Peter and probably the rest of the 12 as well. They had a great responsibility.
No where else do we read any of the Apostles ever , ever doing this again. These two people had no chance to repent. Jesus Christ of Nazareth preached love and forgiveness, this is the Gospel. The Holy Spirit just does not go around killing people especially over money. Additionally, the on- lookers were left in utter fear rather than love.
There must be a greater meaning. I dont know what it is frankly.
Blessings
 
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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?

One of the attributes of God is "I do not change" Mal 3:6
Jesus is the SAME yesterday today and forever Heb 13:8


Act 5:
But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and kept back some of the proceeds for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God.” 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias collapsed and died; and great fear came over all who heard about it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

7 Now an interval of about three hours elapsed, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter responded to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for this price?” And she said, “Yes, for that price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.” 10 And immediately she collapsed at his feet and died; and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came over the whole church, and over all who heard about these things.


They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament..


It was not until they stood before the Apostle with their lie that they were judged. They were standing in the symbol of God’s immediate presence that was recognized as such by all the church.

In both NT and OT when someone entered into the symbol of God's presence and everyone knew it -- so no confusion - then judgment was immediate in most cases.

You see this explained in Ezek 14:
Then some elders of Israel came to me and sat down before me. 2 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 3 “Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put in front of their faces the stumbling block of their wrongdoing. Should I let Myself be consulted by them at all? 4 Therefore speak to them and tell them, ‘This is what the Lord God says: “Anyone of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, puts in front of his face the stumbling block of his wrongdoing, and then comes to the prophet, I the Lord will let Myself answer him in the matter in view of the multitude of his idols, 5 in order to take hold of the hearts of the house of Israel who have turned away from Me due to all their idols.”’

In that example the person who is in bold sin but had not come to the prophet -- is fine in terms of no immediate death. They can live in rebellion and are not judged on the spot. But if they then enter into what is considered the presence of God in that state of open rebellion judgment is swift.

in 1 Cor 11 you see this warning also in the case of the Lord's table
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy way, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a person must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For the one who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not properly recognize the body. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number are asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
 
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I believe Peter was pretty angry with both of them then exercised his gift which produced the miracle; death. The only way that I can be settled with this account is to see it as a display of the level of power given to Peter and probably the rest of the 12 as well. They had a great responsibility.

This is an interesting point! So it was neither the punishment of god nor the force of the enemy but Peters power. You could interpret it the way that the apostles were only humans and did not use the gift always in the way Jesus intended. So the passage could a warning to everyone not to abuse God's gifts and help?
 
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Welcome to CF. I have trouble with this account. Personally, I would have felt terrible if I took part in the death of two people because they decided to keep a possession. I believe Peter was pretty angry with both of them then exercised his gift which produced the miracle; death. The only way that I can be settled with this account is to see it as a display of the level of power given to Peter and probably the rest of the 12 as well. They had a great responsibility.
No where else do we read any of the Apostles ever , ever doing this again. These two people had no chance to repent. Jesus Christ of Nazareth preached love and forgiveness, this is the Gospel. The Holy Spirit just does not go around killing people especially over money. Additionally, the on- lookers were left in utter fear rather than love.
There must be a greater meaning. I dont know what it is frankly.
Blessings

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On this account, there is an answer. It's just not one that any of us likes to hear: that the Lord might take away our lives if we sin too pugnaciously or do so in a way that causes others to be tempted to trip up.

I gently disagree that this was "Peter's doing." I think the text in Acts is clear enough that it reflects that it was the Holy Spirit (the Lord) who actioned their deaths. Does this mean they went to 'Hell.' No, I don't think so, but in line with some things that Paul said, it probably does mean that sometimes, if we're not careful as Christians, we may find ourselves going to 'Heaven' a bit earlier than we expected to.

Peace!
 
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This is an interesting point! So it was neither the punishment of god nor the force of the enemy but Peters power.

I think that would be taking it too far. No Bible text says that Christians can speak a word and that will kill another Christian not by the power of God - but by the power of that one Christian.
 
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Maria and @Germanguy

On this account, there is an answer. It's just not one that any of us likes to hear: that the Lord might take away our lives if we sin too pugnaciously or do so in a way that causes others to be tempted to trip up.

on the other hand there are many bad people who can do their work unhindered. If God would punish sin so directly after Jesus, there would be no free will like today. And there would be no question of theodicy
 
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on the other hand there are many bad people who can do their work unhindered. If God would punish sin so directly after Jesus, there would be no free will like today. And there would be no question of theodicy

Sure, that's a reasonable assessment. But we need to keep in mind the structure of the narrative that Luke put forth in the book of Acts, and that structure shows Ananias and Sapphira doing 'their deed' toward the beginning of the formation of the Church. In a similar way that God (through Joshua) made an example of Achan toward the beginning generations of the people of Israel, God made an example of Ananias and Sapphira, indicating that we should walk circumspectly before Him and within and among our fellow brethren.

As for theodicy, (and assuming I understand correctly what you're telling me), I think there will always be this issue because even if God does punish us, we don't always know directly that we may be being punished. We'll probably know indirectly though. It will be a correlation we can intuit without direct causative proof. Either way, we have to be wary and be reverent and follow through with our committments, and both Peter and Paul indicated this principle.
 
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This is an interesting point! So it was neither the punishment of god nor the force of the enemy but Peters power. You could interpret it the way that the apostles were only humans and did not use the gift always in the way Jesus intended. So the passage could a warning to everyone not to abuse God's gifts and help?
Peter does not have power unless it is sanctioned by God. This is similar to Paul's handkerchiefs that healed people. Another issue with the account is the burial. It is like they died then they quickly got rid of the evidence. Burials during that time were performed in a particular manor. It's almost to the point for me, that they did not die but just fainted and then they were taken away. None of it sounds legit and the outcome produced no fruit other than fear. So ill remain skeptical for now.

Just FYI-the other account I have a problem with is all the Saints rising from the dead after Jesus Christ of Nazareth rose.:sigh:
Blessings.
 
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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?

People too easily forget that GOD is also a GOD of judgement,..... and what they did appears to have crossed over into judgmental territory with Him.
 
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In the New Testament, isn't God merciful and grants a new beginning? They were both baptized Christians. But the direct death seems like a punishment of God from the Old Testament...Or was it not God's punishment but the work of the devil alone, as Peter implies?
The problem with the story of Ananias and Sapphira is that there is a lot of context missing. The text says very little about what the lie entailed. Did they promise to the apostles before God that they would give the full monetary compensation of their property to the church? The text says nothing about it, nor is there anything to imply it. It simply suggests that they decided to keep some of the money and donate the rest of it to the church, and the apostles were upset that it wasn't the full price that they sold the land as. The only person who seem to have lied was Sapphira, who tells the apostles that they sold it for a different price.

It seems to me, in reading the end of the previous chapter, that believers were selling their property and giving the proceeds entirely to the church, and that this circumstance seems almost like the couples were attacked for not donating all the proceedings. Why did Luke leave out such a context? It makes the apostles look suspicious, and then justifying the hasty execution in the name of God.
 
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I believe Peter was pretty angry with both of them then exercised his gift which produced the miracle; death.
I do not believe that Peter deliberately cursed them. I believe that he only explained what happened.
 
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I do not believe that Peter deliberately cursed them. I believe that he only explained what happened.
I dont believe in curses. It was a miracle of death.
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I dont believe in curses. It was a miracle of death.
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Even if a "miracle of death," I do not believe that it was deliberate on Peter's part, just consequential.
 
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Even if a "miracle of death," I do not believe that it was deliberate on Peter's part, just consequential.
He did hold the keys.
"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."
I think he repented after this account. Then Paul took over.
 
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