Why debate Homosexuality?

[R3quiem]

I don't see why there is such a huge debate over whether or not homosexuality is wrong or not.

There was a group at my college who protested and wore shirts saying "HOMOS GO TO HELL".

How can they call themselves Christian? It's almost as if they see joy in telling others they are going to be damned. It seems to me that Christians who argue as to whether homosexuality is wrong or not are missing the point of Christianity.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than any of the sins I commit. I don't have the right to judge them, and I feel that nobody else does either. Leave it to God.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

THANK YOU MY BROTHER.

It's become an addiction for me to be here that I wish to end. It's difficult since no one else seems to support the "Hey, whats the point?" doctrine.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I don't see why there is such a huge debate over whether or not homosexuality is wrong or not.

There was a group at my college who protested and wore shirts saying "HOMOS GO TO HELL".

How can they call themselves Christian? It's almost as if they see joy in telling others they are going to be damned. It seems to me that Christians who argue as to whether homosexuality is wrong or not are missing the point of Christianity.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than any of the sins I commit. I don't have the right to judge them, and I feel that nobody else does either. Leave it to God.

According to your own logic you don't have the right to tell anyone they are not Christain. So don't judge them.

And there is graver degrees of sin. Homosexuality is an abomination, unlike lying about something small.

 

[R3quiem]

According to your own logic you don't have the right to tell anyone they are not Christain. So don't judge them.

And there is graver degrees of sin. Homosexuality is an abomination, unlike lying about something small.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
-Romans 3:23

You are saying there are different degrees of sin, and that maybe your sin is not as bad as the sin of a gay man?

In other words, both of you fell short of God, but you at least fell a little closer?

I doubt it works that way.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

According to your own logic you don't have the right to tell anyone they are not Christain. So don't judge them.

And there is graver degrees of sin. Homosexuality is an abomination, unlike lying about something small.

Really?

Because last I checked lying was one of the Ten Commandments. Oh look, homosexuality isn't.

All sins are below God and therefore equal. Any Christian who tries to say a sin is greater than there own is just trying to find an excuse to hate.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You have it wrong, this is not essentially a debate about homosexuality:

IT IS MORE A DEBATE ABOUT RELATIVISTIC THEOLOGY AND MORALS.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than any of the sins I commit.

At least you admit your sins. Homosexuals who lead a gay lifestyle and say there is nothing wrong with it (their adultery and scandal) lead a life of perpetual sin. That is not called repentance.

 

[MrPirate]

I don't see why there is such a huge debate over whether or not homosexuality is wrong or not.

There was a group at my college who protested and wore shirts saying "HOMOS GO TO HELL".

How can they call themselves Christian? It's almost as if they see joy in telling others they are going to be damned. It seems to me that Christians who argue as to whether homosexuality is wrong or not are missing the point of Christianity.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than any of the sins I commit. I don't have the right to judge them, and I feel that nobody else does either. Leave it to God.

Go do some reading about the early days of the civil rihts movement. I am sure you will recognize the same hateful rhetoric was used by conservative Christians used then to protest equality.
The fact that racial equality is a sin was brought up time and time again

 

[MrPirate]

I don't see why there is such a huge debate over whether or not homosexuality is wrong or not.

There was a group at my college who protested and wore shirts saying "HOMOS GO TO HELL".

How can they call themselves Christian? It's almost as if they see joy in telling others they are going to be damned. It seems to me that Christians who argue as to whether homosexuality is wrong or not are missing the point of Christianity.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than any of the sins I commit. I don't have the right to judge them, and I feel that nobody else does either. Leave it to God.

If you look what is really being debated is equality, civil rights and legal protections for a minority. Those opposed attempt to equality attempt to redirect the discussion to terms of morality, ignoring the fact that the discrimination they advocate is immoral itself

 

[BAFRIEND]

Go do some reading about the early days of the civil rihts movement. I am sure you will recognize the same hateful rhetoric was used by conservative Christians used then to protest equality.
The fact that racial equality is a sin was brought up time and time again

Go do some reading about the early days of the gay rights movement. I am certain that you will recognize the same liberal rhetoric about sexual freedom.
The fact that AIDS is deadly is something homosexuals chose to ignore time and time again.

 

[MrPirate]

You have it wrong, this is not essentially a debate about homosexuality:

IT IS MORE A DEBATE ABOUT RELATIVISTIC THEOLOGY AND MORALS.



At least you admit your sins. Homosexuals who lead a gay lifestyle and say there is nothing wrong with it (their adultery and scandal) lead a life of perpetual sin. That is not called repentance.

Do you mean the way that those advocating prejudice and discrimination against homosexuals ignore the teachings of Jesus in order to further their political goals?

 

[BAFRIEND]

If you look what is really being debated is equality, civil rights and legal protections for a minority. Those opposed attempt to equality attempt to redirect the discussion to terms of morality, ignoring the fact that the discrimination they advocate is immoral itself

Homosexuals are a minority in what sense ?

Anyone on the planet can claim to be one and who knows.

A minority is a segment of society that differs from the majority.

In that sense you may be correct- most people are offended by the gay lifestyle, so I guess that homosexuals and their supporters would be a minority.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Do you mean the way that those advocating prejudice and discrimination against homosexuals ignore the teachings of Jesus in order to further their political goals?

There is no prejudice. That means to prejudge a person based on objective characteristics such as skin color or nationality.

A person who leads a gay lifestyle sins and is in fact in perpetual sin. I judge the behavior not the person.

 

[MrPirate]

Go do some reading about the early days of the gay rights movement. I am certain that you will recognize the same liberal rhetoric about sexual freedom.
The fact that AIDS is deadly is something homosexuals chose to ignore time and time again.

So you are saying the existence of a virus is justification for discrimination and hate….


HIV/AIDS primarily infects people with dark skin. Are you saying that because of this fact racism is morally justifiable?

 

[BAFRIEND]

So you are saying the existence of a virus is justification for discrimination and hate….


HIV/AIDS primarily infects people with dark skin. Are you saying that because of this fact racism is morally justifiable?

Please be more original then attempting to paint a person you are debating online as a rascist.

 

[MrPirate]

There is no prejudice.

That means to prejudge a person based on objective characteristics such as skin color or nationality.

Actually it involves judging someone based on something other than individual merit.

Prejudice against gays and lesbians is no different from racism or anti-Semitism.



I’m sure the Jews of Nazi occupied Europe will be happy to know they were never subjected to or experienced prejudice

A person who leads a gay lifestyle sins and is in fact in perpetual sin. I judge the behavior not the person.

This “gay lifestyle” you talk about…is it anything like that black lifestyle?

 

[MrPirate]

Please be more original then attempting to paint a person you are debating online as a rascist.

You didn’t answer the question.



You wish to use the existence of a virus to justify personal prejudice against one minority…yet you become upset when that same tactic is used against a different minority?

Why is it morally justifiable for you to use the existence of a virus in defense of homophobia but somehow wrong to use the existence of a virus in defense of racism?


If there is nothing wrong with using the existence of a virus to justify prejudice against homosexuals …then logically there would be nothing wrong with using the existence of that same virus to justify racism…so unless you were wrong to use HIV to justify personal prejudice against homosexuals there would be no way I or anyone could “paint” anyone as a racist

 

[savedandhappy1]

How can they call themselves Christian? It's almost as if they see joy in telling others they are going to be damned. It seems to me that Christians who argue as to whether homosexuality is wrong or not are missing the point of Christianity.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin, but no more of a sin than any of the sins I commit. I don't have the right to judge them, and I feel that nobody else does either. Leave it to God.

Find joy in telling people they are damned?

Leave it to God?

If homosexuality is a sin, and I believe it is, the Bible says those people will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If we don't confess and repent of our sins we are damned, but it isn't us that are damning anyone.

The church needs to be balanced in their love and sound doctrine or we will be reponsible for people not being saved. I keep hearing I'm not being loving because I am standing on the word, which says homosexuality is a sin. To me it isn't love if we sugar coat it or say leave it to God.

God told us to go and preach/teach the nations!

What if a homosexual doesn't believe it is a sin, so they don't repent ............................what will happen to them then? Can you tell me that they will be in heaven? If not is anyone loving them by saying that is between them and God? I don't want to be in heaven and as I am shown my life see people that I have led astray by not standing on the word.

So when you say leave it to God, are you meaning after they die, because then it is to late?

We are to plant the seeds for the harvest, but if we teach that something isn't a sin or that bad of a sin. Sorry I don't believe a small lie is any different then anyother sin. God doesn't put degrees on sin, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit, we do. A sin is a sin is a sin, and we all do them, but if we confess and repent of our sins then by faith in Jesus Christ we are saved.

Christ Love..............................I still think we need to define what is meant by love in the Bible, because I don't believe we are using the word right.

Love doesn't let someone walk out in front of a car or off a cliff. Love doesn't let a child play in the road.

Love is the parent that doesn't let their child go to a party because the parent of the kids holding the party aren't going to be home. Love is slapping a childs hand when they try to stick the knife in the plugin. Or spanks their butt when they...............

Why do we debate homosexuality? Well one reason is because the threads keep being started, and I think most feel both sides should be posted in response. Another reason could be we are told that the Bible is good for correction, rebuke, reproof, and for teaching us how we are to live in this world and not be part of it.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You didn’t answer the question.



You wish to use the existence of a virus to justify personal prejudice against one minority…yet you become upset when that same tactic is used against a different minority?

Why is it morally justifiable for you to use the existence of a virus in defense of homophobia but somehow wrong to use the existence of a virus in defense of racism?


If there is nothing wrong with using the existence of a virus to justify prejudice against homosexuals …then logically there would be nothing wrong with using the existence of that same virus to justify racism…so unless you were wrong to use HIV to justify personal prejudice against homosexuals there would be no way I or anyone could “paint” anyone as a racist

I believe I did answer that question even before you asked it in post number 12:

A person who leads a gay lifestyle sins and is in fact in perpetual sin. I judge the behavior not the person.

Here are some facts about what the homosexual lifestyle institutes:

Consider just these few facts: Owing to the filthy practices in which they engage, the bulk of all bowel diseases in America is carried by homosexuals. They also have a higher incidence of STDs, tuberculosis, and hepatitis A and B as well as account for the vast majority of all AIDS cases. The average life expectancy for homosexuals is approximately thirty-four years shorter than the average life expectancy for married non-homosexuals. (Source: Rev. Ralph Ovadal)

In 2005, the Center of Disease Control reported that over 70% of all new cases of AIDS in the USA were reported by men admitting to be homosexuals.

 

[Brieuse]

Go do some reading about the early days of the gay rights movement. I am certain that you will recognize the same liberal rhetoric about sexual freedom.
The fact that AIDS is deadly is something homosexuals chose to ignore time and time again.

You conveniently ignore the fact that Aids effects all. Get off your high horse.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You conveniently ignore the fact that Aids effects all. Get off your high horse.

You are right, it does affect all (now), thanks.