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It's pretty silly to say which animals are clean and which are not clean. They're all pretty much the same thing. Bones, organs, muscle tissue, skin and hair. It is the muscle tissue that you eat. It's pointless to argue over which one is "clean" and which one is not. There's little difference between a pig and a cow, other than the taste.
The whole idea that pork is "unclean" is preposterous. It's mighty tasty.
The law was ridiculous, anyhow. It was nothing put rituals, many of them seeming very pagan. Jesus wasn't about that.
Where does the Bible say that it is a sin for anyone to eat unclean animals? Do you know how and why the Bible draws a distinction between clean and unclean animals?OObi said:God said it in his Word, not us. It's still a sin whether it taste good or not. Premarital sex is fun... you don't do that now do you? (Rhetorical question, don't feel obligated to answer)
Scholar in training said:Where does the Bible say that it is a sin for anyone to eat unclean animals? Do you know how and why the Bible draws a distinction between clean and unclean animals?
I was hoping OObi would respond, but Lev 11 is directed toward the Israelites (note verse 11. In the Hebrew, the word lachem signals that the command is to a specific group). In other words, the eating of unclean animals is phrased as being detestable to the Israelites; it is not phrased as being an abomination to God.Kuv said:It says so in Leviticus 11.
This is a good passage to bring up (especially Mark's note in verse 19).In case anyone still thinks it's wrong to eat pork, read Mark 7:14-23.
Where does the Bible say that it is a sin for anyone to eat unclean animals? Do you know how and why the Bible draws a distinction between clean and unclean animals?
It says so in Leviticus 11.
In case anyone still thinks it's wrong to eat pork, read Mark 7:14-23.
Originally, pork was not eaten because it carried diseases.
I was hoping OObi would respond, but Lev 11 is directed toward the Israelites (note verse 11. In the Hebrew, the word lachem signals that the command is to a specific group). In other words, the eating of unclean animals is phrased as being detestable to the Israelites; it is not phrased as being an abomination to God.
Pork carried a disease (I forget the name; see Albright Yahweh and the Gods of Canaan) and thus people learned to stay away. At least people in the hills of Judah. The Philistines ate them.Even though this was probably the case, we don't know. Back then there wasn't refrigeration (surprise surprise) and the animals that YHWH declared unclean were ones that could go bad really easily. Think about shrimp that isn't refrigerated... how would you keep it good?
Even though this was probably the case, we don't know. Back then there wasn't refrigeration (surprise surprise) and the animals that YHWH declared unclean were ones that could go bad really easily. Think about shrimp that isn't refrigerated... how would you keep it good?
Pork carried a disease (I forget the name; see Albright Yahweh and the Gods of Canaan) and thus people learned to stay away. At least people in the hills of Judah. The Philistines ate them.
Nazaroo said:(14) Is it wrong to eat pork? Yes, it is clearly wrong for the pig! Is that good stewardship? The fact is, animal farming is actually inefficient as well as bad for the animals. The same land dedicated to growing fodder for animals could more effectively provide much needed food for most of the third-world countries. Food would be plentiful, if prime farmland wasn't wasted growing corn for cattle, and tobacco for idiots.
(15) Is it morally right for Christians to support industries that mistreat animals or place them in inhumane conditions? No. It is morally wrong to allow unnecessary suffering, even when it 'saves money'. Locking up chickens 24 hours a day inside cages and keeping them awake, force-feeding them and forcing them to lay eggs is an outrageously inhumane condition, and wholly unnatural for the chickens. Can this be considered moral? no. Can we stop it? Yes! By boycotting products that require unnecessary suffering, even for animals. "It shouldn't even happen to a dog!"
(16) Is it morally right to inbreed animals for hedonistic pleasure? Is it morally right to allow 'scientists' for large corporations to genetically engineer freak-life forms to increase 'efficiency' (=profit) for gluttons? No. Do Christians have the right to exercise their God-given power to boycott products and change market structure LEGALLY to relieve suffering? Yes! And this would be completely lawful.
You know muslims don't eat porks.
Let's take your examples at face value. So I guess you perform abortions for fun, shoot people regularly, and buy gay porn on a regular basis, right? Because you can't fix the world's problems, so you might as well indulge in all of them? It would be such a hassle to stop killing people, etc.OObi said:Yes... this is a problem. But so is abortion... why don't we consider that? Gun violence is a rather large problem, we should do demonstrations or something to end it. Homosexuality is running rampant, we should try and censor the media. Speaking of media, why don't we get rid of all the porn in the world why we're at it? We should try solving world hunger, war, and the salvation of humanity as long as the rest of the stuff is on the list.
You can't exactly fix the problems of the world. Boycotting a food isn't going to do anything except make a hassle for you.
Ever heard of supply and demand? If you eat meat then you are directly responsible for perpetuating these industries, just the same as you would be if you went down to the porn shop and bought a video.The sin isn't on you eating that food, it's on whoever decided to torture the animals for profit.
Why don't you focus your attention on abortion or child abuse? Why do you care about animals?
Since the principle that underlies all of Jesus' actions is the sanctity of life and the right of every being to be secure from violation and harm, it makes perfect sense that some organizations and individuals would focus their limited energy and resources on the alleviation of the millions of daily acts of violence against animals in laboratories, on factory farms, in the fur and leather trades, and on our streets. As animals have few defenders, this is an enormous undertaking. Those who are particularly adamant on the abortion issue should also consider the issue of vegetarianism, as it requires no additional effort and lends the credibility of personal action to their statements about being "pro-life."
There is so much violence in the world, from wars in sub-Saharan Africa to violence in U.S. inner cities. For the most part, the issues are complex and the solutions not easily formulated. Even with the issue of abortion, few of us will ever have to make this choice, and no one can make this choice for someone else, however much some people might wish to.
But there is one area where the solution is simple: the issue of animal abuse on factory farms. Each and every one of us can simply choose not to be animal abusers by becoming a vegetarian. Every time we sit down to eat, we make a choice: Do we want to support compassion and mercy? Or do we want to support misery, violence, and bloodshed? Are we animal abusers, or are we kind to animals? Most of us would agree that it is immoral, unchristian even, to cause gratuitous suffering to a dog or a cat. It is illogical, as well as unkind, not to extend this same understanding to cows, pigs, chickens, fish, and all other animals.
If we purport to be "pro-life," yet we choose to support violence, misery, and death every time we sit down to eat, what does that say about our convictions? For a simple palate preference, we have become "pro-death," we are paying for cruelty to animals. The only legitimate Christian or "pro-life" choice is vegetarianism.
I knew already
Let's take your examples at face value. So I guess you perform abortions for fun, shoot people regularly, and buy gay porn on a regular basis, right? Because you can't fix the world's problems, so you might as well indulge in all of them? It would be such a hassle to stop killing people, etc.
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