Why believe in hell?

arunma · Oct 30, 2005

Wonderfulcross said:
Well, you destroyed 6 million of my chosen people, but that's okay.

Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I thought that Christians are God's chosen people.

Anyway, I agree with everything else you said. Chosen or not, killing six million Jews (as well as several million other people) is perhaps one of the most wicked acts committed in human history, and I tend to think that God would not even grant such a person repentance.

(BTW, consider this post my friendly invitation to discuss the issue of who God's chosen people are; on a Christians-only board, of course.)

Montalban · Oct 30, 2005

arunma said:
Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I thought that Christians are God's chosen people.

Anyway, I agree with everything else you said. Chosen or not, killing six million Jews (as well as several million other people) is perhaps one of the most wicked acts committed in human history, and I tend to think that God would not even grant such a person repentance.

(BTW, consider this post my friendly invitation to discuss the issue of who God's chosen people are; on a Christians-only board, of course.)

The Jews are Gods chosen people - for making jokes. They share a similar sense of humour.

arunma · Oct 30, 2005

Montalban said:
The Jews are Gods chosen people - for making jokes. They share a similar sense of humour.

You're Orthodox, so I know you agree with me that the church is God's Israel. Unfortunately, many modernists even within the evangelical church write off this ancient doctrine as so-called "replacement theology."

Gardenia · Oct 30, 2005

In Kemetic Orthodoxy the closest we have to hell is the being called Am-mit. Am-mit eats the souls of those who were very wicked in life.
However, I don't believe in this myself. I don't think any souls can be lost to God forever. For someone who was very bad in life, it may take a lot of time for them to get back to God, but I dont think it is impossable for anyone..

Chrono Traveler · Oct 30, 2005

I believe, that if someone belives in hell it can manifest itself in your life and afterlife.

I truly believe that I have my own heven here that I can make for myself right now. I could also choose to be negative, and make a hell for myslef, but Id rather not.

Cassiopeia · Oct 30, 2005

Montalban said:
The Jews are Gods chosen people - for making jokes. They share a similar sense of humour.

HEY! that is really not nice. i would appreciate it if you and arunma and others would stick to the topic. It isn't asking IF there is a hell...it is asking who believes in it and why.

NOW if you all don't mind save the bickering for off the thread and go flame others. Quite honestly Montalban I am disappointed you would post such a blatantly anti semitist joke. I might have my issues with you but JEEZZZZZZZ.

Montalban · Oct 31, 2005

Casiopeia said:
HEY! that is really not nice. i would appreciate it if you and arunma and others would stick to the topic. It isn't asking IF there is a hell...it is asking who believes in it and why.

That's a comment I plagerised from a Jewish comedian! It's funny. At least it was when I heard it.*

Casiopeia said:
NOW if you all don't mind save the bickering for off the thread and go flame others. Quite honestly Montalban I am disappointed you would post such a blatantly anti semitist joke. I might have my issues with you but JEEZZZZZZZ.

Am I to assume you taking Jesus' name in vain to be an attempt at humour.

We're not bickering, either, as I've not refuted what he said at all. Aruma quite rightly says we agree.

You seem to wish to see 'evil' where it ain't.

Honi soi y mal pense.

And the joke related to the 'chosen' people.

*I heard it on tv back in the early 80s in a tv debate at Oxford between American and British comedians over who's sense of humour was funnier; Americans or Brits. Actually it might have been Jasper Carrott who said this line, but this Jewish comedian (who's name I can't recall) was not offended.

Montalban · Oct 31, 2005

arunma said:
You're Orthodox, so I know you agree with me that the church is God's Israel. Unfortunately, many modernists even within the evangelical church write off this ancient doctrine as so-called "replacement theology."

I agree. God gave us a choice, it's real, He'll respect our choice.

Cassiopeia · Oct 31, 2005

Montalban said:
That's a comment I plagerised from a Jewish comedian! It's funny. At least it was when I heard it.*

Am I to assume you taking Jesus' name in vain to be an attempt at humour.

I did NOT Do that. Saying Jeez is like saying geewizz but shorter...It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Jesus.

montalban said:
We're not bickering, either, as I've not refuted what he said at all. Aruma quite rightly says we agree.

You seem to wish to see 'evil' where it ain't.

Honi soi y mal pense.

And the joke related to the 'chosen' people.

*I heard it on tv back in the early 80s in a tv debate at Oxford between American and British comedians over who's sense of humour was funnier; Americans or Brits. Actually it might have been Jasper Carrott who said this line, but this Jewish comedian (who's name I can't recall) was not offended.

I don't care who wasn't or was offended...it is inapproprate and you know it! Gosh do I have to smack you or what?

Montalban · Oct 31, 2005

jeez P Pronunciation Key (jz)
interj.
Used to express surprise or annoyance.

[Alteration of Jesus]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jeez

gosh P Pronunciation Key (gsh)
interj.
Used to express mild surprise or delight.

[Alteration of God.]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gosh

Rae · Oct 31, 2005

God will not cleanse us at the gates of Heaven so we can all get into Heaven.

In your frail, flawed, human opinion, yes. I reject your opinion as wrong.

Cassiopeia · Oct 31, 2005

Montalban said:
jeez P Pronunciation Key (jz)
interj.
Used to express surprise or annoyance.

[Alteration of Jesus]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jeez

gosh P Pronunciation Key (gsh)
interj.
Used to express mild surprise or delight.

[Alteration of God.]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gosh

thanks for the info...I will be sure to say GEEWIZ

satay · Oct 31, 2005

Rae said:
In your frail, flawed, human opinion, yes. I reject your opinion as wrong.

I second that.

coyoteBR · Oct 31, 2005

Casiopeia said:
thanks for the info...I will be sure to say GEEWIZ

I think "Sheesh" also works fine

Cassiopeia · Oct 31, 2005

coyoteBR said:
I think "Sheesh" also works fine

YOu must be careful though...you never know what that is going to mean LOL

Multi-Elis · Oct 31, 2005

I am a christian, but have been heavily influenced by NDE's testamonies. They talk about Hell, as an addiction to certain thought patterns or to certain things in this world that continues to the next world. Some talk of the next world as being a pile of pancakes. You might learn a certain degree of love on earth and so neither go to what we normally think of as Hell or Heaven. One NDE without explaining how this works claimed that people in Hell eventually get as many chances as they need to learn Love, but that the pain of this Hell is so great it is probably better to use all the chances we've got to learn Love... So not knowing how much to believe or whatto believe, yet still believing in a loving God, I affirm what somebody else here already said:

I don't think any souls can be lost to God forever. For someone who was very bad in life, it may take a lot of time for them to get back to God, but I dont think it is impossable for anyone..

Wonderfulcross · Oct 31, 2005

Rae said:
In your frail, flawed, human opinion, yes. I reject your opinion as wrong.

This is not my opinion. I have no opinioon because I believe what the bible says. What I say is no longer my opinion , it becomes God's truth.

Montalban · Oct 31, 2005

coyoteBR said:
I think "Sheesh" also works fine

Especially as a prefix for 'kebab'.

Montalban · Oct 31, 2005

Rae said:
In your frail, flawed, human opinion, yes. I reject your opinion as wrong.

Then for you God doesn't respect people's wishes.

Montalban · Oct 31, 2005

Casiopeia said:
thanks for the info...I will be sure to say GEEWIZ

gee whiz
An expression of surprise, dismay, or enthusiasm. For example, Gee whiz, Dad, I thought you'd let me borrow the car, or Gee whiz, they finally won the Series! This term is thought to be a euphemism for "Jesus Christ." [Slang; 1870s]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=GEE WHIZ

and
Sheesh
interj.
Used to express mild annoyance, surprise, or disgust.

[Alteration of Jesus1.]
Alteration of Jesus
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sheesh

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