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talk about strawman argument, we could easily compare that to your defense to homosexuality now; as errors could come from you as you are a christian too.Amen. remember at one time Blacks could not marry whites. Many "Christians in certain areas of the Country used scripture to back that up. They also used scripture when they practiced genocide against the native americans. They also used scripture when the forbade Woman the right to Vote. And if you disagree with them you are of Satan and a persecutor of Christians. Even though you may be a Christian.
well i think everyone has that right dont they?- im not real sure about that one though.this is way off topic, but since I'm already in this thread and I'm in this mode of thinking. What is really screwed up is that a serial killer got married while on death row.
He has that right because he's a heterosexual?
Comperisons are made to show their sinful nature as how one act is already accepted and another is not because of the postmodern philosophy crawling into the church. Both act's however, biblically are sinful.genez: First, let's get the gays acceptable. That's too much for now.
you truly believe the acceptance of homosexuals is a stepping stone to accepting child molesters?
Like in the derogatory term gays use towards straights? I wonder why you chose that term. I believe I see a strong bias showing.
to be honest, I don't see how heterosexuals (in general) can place themselves above gay ppl as if we are perfect in comparison. As if we are better than them. There's upteen threads where the focus is on homosexuality being a sin,
while we have a lot of problems without our own group.
Breeding is a word that came to mind and I stuck with it.
The way that heterosexuals are sleeping around.. a woman I used to know has 4 kids by 4 different men and none of them have a father in their life. My ex has 3 by 3 different women, he's only involved with 1 of his kids. A childhood friend.. I dunno what he thinks he's doing but he's got upteen kids (more than 13 kids) by several women. Married women having kids and the husbands aren't the fathers..creating another issue on whether he should be financially responsible (child support) for a child that isn't really his. Women using abortion as birth control.
Being promiscuous is glorified. Dunno.. it just seems weird to see 1 group of ppl being so negative n judgmental against another group of ppl when they don't have their own act together... and the judged group isn't really doing anything to deserve it.
Keep in mind that the Leviticus sword cuts both ways. It also states that if a community refuses to stone the offenders of a stoning-worthy offense, all who refused will be cut off from God as well. Raise your hand if you really have ever stoned a homosexual.
Anybody?
Anybody?
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you truly believe the acceptance of homosexuals is a stepping stone to accepting child molesters?
to be honest, I don't see how heterosexuals (in general) can place themselves above gay ppl as if we are perfect in comparison. As if we are better than them. There's upteen threads where the focus is on homosexuality being a sin,
while we have a lot of problems without our own group.
Breeding is a word that came to mind and I stuck with it.
The way that heterosexuals are sleeping around.. a woman I used to know has 4 kids by 4 different men and none of them have a father in their life. My ex has 3 by 3 different women, he's only involved with 1 of his kids. A childhood friend.. I dunno what he thinks he's doing but he's got upteen kids (more than 13 kids) by several women. Married women having kids and the husbands aren't the fathers..creating another issue on whether he should be financially responsible (child support) for a child that isn't really his. Women using abortion as birth control.
Being promiscuous is glorified. Dunno.. it just seems weird to see 1 group of ppl being so negative n judgmental against another group of ppl when they don't have their own act together... and the judged group isn't really doing anything to deserve it.
this is way off topic, but since I'm already in this thread and I'm in this mode of thinking. What is really screwed up is that a serial killer got married while on death row.
He has that right because he's a heterosexual?
Seems God doesn't have a say in marrige now a days, not even for "christians."Everyone has the right to get married if they have a suitable partner of the opposite sex because that is what marriage is. What people don't have the right to do is change the definition of marriage to whatever is convenient to them.
Do you expect to change your mind only when you hear a great booming voice from the sky which says that homosexuality is ok? I don't think God works that way... In my opinion, God works through people... such as people who realize that love is more important than following some ancient rules without even thinking about them, and who try to change the world for better. For example, homosexual Christians who are brave enough to stand for love, despite being persecuted by others, including their fellow Christians.Seems God doesn't have a say in marrige now a days, not even for "christians."
Do you expect to change your mind only when you hear a great booming voice from the sky which says that homosexuality is ok? I don't think God works that way... In my opinion, God works through people... such as people who realize that love is more important than following some ancient rules without even thinking about them, and who try to change the world for better. For example, homosexual Christians who are brave enough to stand for love, despite being persecuted by others, including their fellow Christians.
Gee I guess men don't have a fallen nature...and it isn't ancient rules, it's the trancending law.Do you expect to change your mind only when you hear a great booming voice from the sky which says that homosexuality is ok? I don't think God works that way... In my opinion, God works through people... such as people who realize that love is more important than following some ancient rules without even thinking about them, and who try to change the world for better. For example, homosexual Christians who are brave enough to stand for love, despite being persecuted by others, including their fellow Christians.
Do you expect to change your mind only when you hear a great booming voice from the sky which says that homosexuality is ok?
I don't think God works that way... In my opinion, God works through people... such as people who realize that love is more important than following some ancient rules without even thinking about them,
and who try to change the world for better. For example, homosexual Christians who are brave enough to stand for love, despite being persecuted by others, including their fellow Christians.
so rude.Seems God doesn't have a say in marrige now a days, not even for "christians."
I'm not supporting sin. I'm supporting love, and I don't see a loving romantic relationship between two people if the same sex as an exception.Gee I guess men don't have a fallen nature...and it isn't ancient rules, it's the trancending law.
A brave christain would stand up for the Gospel not for their desires of the flesh. I love how people label things to justify sin, this is like the feminist labeling abortion "reproductive freedom." And that voice is never going to come unless it's satan himself. Do you need to hear the voice of God to understand his law? Or would even that way would you keep supporting sin?
Well, it seems that we don't agree, because I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin... so I can't really argue, because it's all just one opinion against another opinion anyway.Would you? That's all it would take? A great booming voice from the sky that says murder is OK? That's all it would take?
How do you know we do not think about them? The ancient rules given to the Jews (civil law) were given in a world where these regulations seemed foreign to man's thinking.
Satan rules the world where ever God's law does not prevail. In the ancient lands around Israel? Homosexual expression was seen as a norm. So was adultery and pediastry. Even sex with an animal was seen as nothing to get upset about. Would it take a big booming voice from the sky to tell you that sex with your dog is not OK?
Are they just as brave as Muslims who blow themselves up on buses? According to your logic? Now, that's bravery for what one believes!
In other words? Bravery motivated by error? Is stupid. Very stupid.
The odds that are set against you does not make one brave. Evil produces a form of bravery which is stupid.
Bravery in itself is not a virtue. Nor is loyalty. Many were loyal to Hitler. Were they virtuous?
Patience in itself is not virtue. The Islamic extremists are very patient in waiting for their next strike. Are they virtuous?
The only true virtue is living by God's truth in the power of the Spirit. It does not matter how many Christians live reactionary legalistic lives that counter the very same words the virtuous live by.
The Bible when seen through the eyes of evil is stupidity. Yet, the same Bible when seen through eyes of the heart, which are enabled by the Spirit? Is wisdom.
Ephesians 1:18 niv"I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints."Grace and peace, GeneZ
By the way...... who is the artist on "Don't download this song?"
marriage was around long before christianity, and the church does not own the practice. one could argue, in fact, that the church did the very thing you are accusing others of doing.You want to rip our life out by the roots by redefining our most sacred traditions like marriage to suit your own purposes. I think you are pushing for rights of homosexuals to supercede that of religious freedom so you can make it illegal for people to follow the Bible. Keep pursuing this course and you will find that a lot of Christians will not tolerate your mockery of Christianity very peacefully at all.
so rude.
just because people are gay, doesn't mean they don't love god, some of them really do...
Matthew 7: 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. 6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
John 8:6-8
6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
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