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Why are there still apes?
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<blockquote data-quote="Shemjaza" data-source="post: 75452989" data-attributes="member: 146291"><p>You are adding a new cause. Natural sources can trigger mutations that add variation.</p><p></p><p>Your proposed new supernatural source is not in evidence.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's just an assertion. Early life surviving against the odds is just that, against the odds.</p><p></p><p>There's no chain of reasoning that even implies a necessary intelligence, let alone "proves" it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Mutations and development of complicated interaction of the body with all the various hormones and other bodily features.</p><p></p><p>We see this change in recorded history. Think about all the patterns and colours of domestic animals, some of them are linked to genetic traits that can only be passed to male or female examples.</p><p></p><p>Animals who are descended from multi sexed ancestors have developed various tactics where the different sex can have different traits and that has been a survival bonus.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is just wrong.</p><p></p><p>If anything the "pre programming" would be for the survival of the species, so a mother protecting her young would absolutely support that goal.</p><p></p><p>I've repeatedly asked how you can demonstrate the existence of "metaphysical properties". Just declaring that nature can't do something without evidence isn't evidence.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've never seen a definition of "natural" that necessitated only producing chaos. It's certainly not one I use.</p><p></p><p>My point was that you would need to present evidence that this designer even existed. Just declaring it necessary isn't evidence, it's just an assertian.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Most of the questions you've presented have natural answers.</p><p></p><p>Chemistry, biology and geology are natural sciences.</p><p></p><p>Now if you want to present truly ontological questions like "Why is there existence?" then sure there aren't scientific answers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My point was about life's ability to survive and reproduce when there aren't competitors. There most definitely are competitors now.</p><p></p><p>It's possible that the conditions for new life forming no longer exist, it's also possible that it does still happen... but proto life coming head to head with extant life with billions of years of evolution and competition isn't going to survive long.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemjaza, post: 75452989, member: 146291"] You are adding a new cause. Natural sources can trigger mutations that add variation. Your proposed new supernatural source is not in evidence. That's just an assertion. Early life surviving against the odds is just that, against the odds. There's no chain of reasoning that even implies a necessary intelligence, let alone "proves" it. Mutations and development of complicated interaction of the body with all the various hormones and other bodily features. We see this change in recorded history. Think about all the patterns and colours of domestic animals, some of them are linked to genetic traits that can only be passed to male or female examples. Animals who are descended from multi sexed ancestors have developed various tactics where the different sex can have different traits and that has been a survival bonus. This is just wrong. If anything the "pre programming" would be for the survival of the species, so a mother protecting her young would absolutely support that goal. I've repeatedly asked how you can demonstrate the existence of "metaphysical properties". Just declaring that nature can't do something without evidence isn't evidence. I've never seen a definition of "natural" that necessitated only producing chaos. It's certainly not one I use. My point was that you would need to present evidence that this designer even existed. Just declaring it necessary isn't evidence, it's just an assertian. Most of the questions you've presented have natural answers. Chemistry, biology and geology are natural sciences. Now if you want to present truly ontological questions like "Why is there existence?" then sure there aren't scientific answers. My point was about life's ability to survive and reproduce when there aren't competitors. There most definitely are competitors now. It's possible that the conditions for new life forming no longer exist, it's also possible that it does still happen... but proto life coming head to head with extant life with billions of years of evolution and competition isn't going to survive long. [/QUOTE]
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