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I get the point, and I know exactly what the fossil record should look like if life was created 6,000 years ago in a span of a week, and if there was a global flood 4,000 years ago. I understand all of it. The problem is that the evidence doesn't match up to those claims.
I was waiting for you to try this. Oh Anya, it's almost cute the way you present these well-worn creationist PRATTS with such naive confidence as if we hadn't seen and refuted them dozens of times before.
Your vague ideas about differential escape abilities isn't born out by the fossil record either. Let's examine a few examples.
So we should only be finding small, seafloor (benthic) animals in the lower layers like the Cambrian? What about anamolocarids? Some species were 2 metres long! Then in the Silurian (still near the bottom of the Paleozoic) you have giant scorpions like Brontoscorpio and giant 2 metre long eurypterids. In other words, there are very large, mobile animals appearing at the bottom of the fossil record and not only the small benthic creatures you say should be there.
So why do flowering plants only show up long after lycopods and ferns and conifers? Flowering plants live in the water, in the coastal lowlands and in mountains, yet they don't appear until about halfway through the fossil record. Again the pattern you claim exists doesn't actually appear in the fossil record.
So turtles, being rather slow, show up right at the bottom of the fossil record, right? Wrong. They show up about halfway through. And slow moving animals like sauropod dinosaurs also show up relatively high in section. And why do fast, agile little dinosaurs like Coelophysis appear in the record before sauropods? Would they not have been better able to escape as well? And what else do we find with sauropods? Birds and pterosaurs. These flying animals were as incapable of escaping the flood as lumbering sauropods? Unlikely.
I could go on and on and on. The differential escape hypothesis is pleasing to the uninformed, but it only works if one makes sweeping generalizations with no real knowledge of the fossil record. Even minor familiarity with the fossil record shows that the pattern you claim should have been produced by the Flood doesn't actually exist. This is a big problem for you.
Predicted response:
"But don't you see?! IT DOES MATCH UP, GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Can't you tell be my excessive use of exclamation marks? Scientists just say it doesn't, but it totally does, and I totally know this even though all my information on the subject comes from people who've probably never even been to a dig site their entire lives!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
To you, it doesn't. You have already stated that no matter what the observation is, you will claim that it is consistent with Genesis. If this isn't the caes, then please tell us what would falsify creationism.
I have seen that when new fossils are found, if they do not fit into the "supposed" time period, the scientist tries to interpret or discard the find or to move the time period upward or downward.
Living fossils are found with dinosaurs! These fossils are found living today and thriving!
We found fossilized examples from every major invertebrate animal phylum living today including: arthropods (insects, crustaceans etc.), shellfish, echinoderms (starfish, crinoids, brittle stars, etc.), corals, sponges, and segmented worms (earthworms, marine worms).
Contrary to popular belief, modern types of birds have been found, including: parrots, owls, penguins, ducks, loons, albatross, cormorants, sandpipers, avocets, etc. When scientists who support evolution disclosed this information during our TV interviews it appears that they could hardly believe what they were saying on camera.
Also frogs, snakes, lizards, and on and on.
Werner living fossils
Nothing.
Did you bother to read the attachment from Cabvet? There are tons of sources which state the vast majority of scholars and historians all agree the 4 gospels were written by ANONYMOUS authors.
You rely on this book so much, but don't take the time to do your own research on the historicity of it? Then you ignore objective empirical evidence that has been tested over and over again? Hey, if that type of double standard works for you, than knock yourself out.
By the way, the fragment you spoke about, is thought to be dated around 200BC, per the attached.
Date of P64 (Magdalen Papyrus of Matthew)
There you have it, you are all set, and you have nothing to learn.
I make it a habit of giving great distance, to those who claim; they can never ever, ever be wrong about something. From that point on, any conversation would be fruitless.
My job is to try to inform people here about the lies, inconsistancy, and assumptions about the Theory of Evolution.
What did I just say in my previous post? I LEARN as I GO!
Then creationism is a dogma. Why are you even arguing about the evidence if the evidence does not matter?
According to the Bible, everything was created during creation week, from bacteria to humans, some 6,000 years ago. Some here want to squeeze the entire fossil record into this timeline (of 6,000 years). My question is simple then, why don't we find fossil cows in Devonian strata?
To elaborate further, why is are there different communities of organisms in every strata and none of them correspond to what was created on creation week, except the most recent ones? Why are there dozens of layers below the more recent ones with many groups that are missing?
What do you think I'm trying to do? I'm LEARNING as I GO!!! Just because I don't have as much knowledge in the area of paleontology and science as you do, DOES NOT MEAN CREATIONISM IS DEBUNKED. It just means that I need time to learn.
I have seen that when new fossils are found, if they do not fit into the "supposed" time period, the scientist tries to interpret or discard the find or to move the time period upward or downward. If you are familiar with the fossil record, then you should know that too. The fossil record is ever changing as new fossils are found!
You need to understand something here.
The Bible is The TRUTH period. Whatever it says is true, no exceptions. I base my belief on this book. The Bible is never wrong.
My job is to try to inform people here about the lies, inconsistancy, and assumptions about the Theory of Evolution. All the things it stands on have problems.
I yes, may be wrong on some points, but the Bible is NEVER wrong.
Then you are doomed to remain ignorant for the rest of your life, I feel sorry for you but good luck anyway.You need to understand something here.
The Bible is The TRUTH period. Whatever it says is true, no exceptions. I base my belief on this book. The Bible is never wrong.
If you are really intent on learning as you go then that is laudable. But surely you can understand that until you can produce an actual counterargument to the points I made, your claim that the Bible is an accurate record of what we should see in the fossil record carries no weight in this debate. Until you can produce a real counterargument, your assertion remains an assertion rather than an argument. I don't expect you to agree that Creationism has been refuted (that almost never happens), but I do expect you to recognize that the defense you have mounted so far has failed. The pattern you claim exists and should be expected if your Flood model is true does not exist. In other words, while you may maintain the veracity of Creationism, the argument you have presented in support of it has been soundly refuted.
The majority of your post is presenting points unrelated to the discussion. It doesn't matter that we find "living fossils". Besides the fact that they are not actually the same as their earliest fossil relatives, their existence doesn't change the fact that the fossil record is not organized in the pattern your Flood model predicts. I know you are trying to learn, so here's something to remember: If your model fails to match the data, your model is wrong.
I'm informing you of the flaws in your theory and how much you all have been decieved.
Is God ever wrong?
Then let me be the first to warn you Anya. What you learn may shake your faith. I know it did mine as it did for many others on this board.
What it comes down to is if you are willing to disregard facts in favor of faith. Because faith is really the only leg you have to stand on.
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