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Why are there no cows in the Devonian?

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Black Akuma

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Why take it to another thread? This is a topic about the fossil record and the geologic column.
 
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I rely on the whole book of the Bible, that's 66 books. No I do not know all facts about the Bible, I am in the process of Learning. The Bible has endless information, you can never get to the bottom of it, it is full of wonderful and fascinating facts.

So tell me?

Matthew of course wrote this book, one of Jesus' disciples. Around 50 to 80 AD.

Who has the originals?

And why is this relevant?
 
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This is truly amazing, you just invented a fossil record to fit your narrative. The real one is not like what you describe.
 
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Yes. They cheer because they are well on their way to getting a Nobel Prize for overturning evolution.

Exactly, creationists keep repeating this nonsense that evolution is some sort of conspiracy, while in reality, if someone could disprove evolution and come up with something better, that person would get the Nobel prize.
 
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This never ceases to amaze me!

A person can put there total faith in a book, but they have not chosen to objectively explore the book from a scholarly or historical perspective, they just believe everything it says, because that is what they were taught. Yet, on the other hand, these same people, will complete a myriad of psychological gymnastics, to discredit the work of science, even though science develops testable and empirical evidence to back it's claims. This is the king of double standards and hypocrisy.

Regarding Matthew, no Matthew did not write the gospel that has his name on it. In fact, NT scholars agree, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, were not written by any of the four names attached to them, but were actually penned by ANONYMOUS authors who wrote the gospels in Greek and Jesus' followers spoke Aramaic and were also mostly illiterate. They were also written 30-70 years after Jesus died, contained no verifiable eye witness accounts and have tons of errors and contradictions. The originals are lost and we only have copies of copies starting around 200AD.

Why is it relevant? Are you serious? You put all your faith in this book and ignore objective evidence from science when it disagrees with your book and you ask why is it relevant to examine the credibility of the book that causes you to ignore reality?
 
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Jesus was born on or around 0 AD. He was in his 30s when he died. Why would it be a problem to write the gospel 20 to 30 years later?

You can't write in your 50 or 60s?

What's wrong with that?
 
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So did you actually read my post or consider its implications? I present to you a few of a huge possible number of examples and you simply insist that in general the pattern is as you describe. It isn't though. That's the entire point. The only way you can say that the fossil record "generally" shows the pattern you imagine is if you ignore that vast number of organisms that don't fit that pattern. It's like arguing that all Chinese people live in China, despite the millions that live elsewhere. Sure, in general they live in China but that doesn't make the argument any more correct. You are trying to do the same thing with the fossil record.
 
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I'm with Black Akuma here; there's no reason to make a new thread. This thread is concerned with the fossil record and why it doesn't match the Bible. So please go ahead and provide your counterarguments to the post I made. Note when I say counterarguments I of course mean pertinent arguments and not the changes in subject this most recent post indicates you are planning. Explain why the differential escape pattern you claim exists in the record has been demonstrated not to exist.
 
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What is your source you are using?

I disagree. Who was Luke? He was a physician, a doctor, and you say he was illiterate?

In 1994 Dr. Carsten Thiede compared a fragment (the Magdalen papyrus, 17P64) with 4 other manuscripts and concluded that either this is the original of Matthew's Gospel or an immediate copy written while Matthew and the other disciples and eyewitnesses were still alive.

This Book is more valuable than you would ever know. Yes I put my faith in Jesus and believe that these are His true words.
 
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It matters a lot. [you do not listen, so I won't explain here]

To you, it doesn't. You have already stated that no matter what the observation is, you will claim that it is consistent with Genesis. If this isn't the caes, then please tell us what would falsify creationism.
 
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Did you bother to read the attachment from Cabvet? There are tons of sources which state the vast majority of scholars and historians all agree the 4 gospels were written by ANONYMOUS authors.

You rely on this book so much, but don't take the time to do your own research on the historicity of it? Then you ignore objective empirical evidence that has been tested over and over again? Hey, if that type of double standard works for you, than knock yourself out.

By the way, the fragment you spoke about, is thought to be dated around 200BC, per the attached.

Date of P64 (Magdalen Papyrus of Matthew)
 
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Why are you guys argueing about one word? All fish were created on day 5. That's one physical day. The next day God created animals and humans.

Then why can't we find a single mammal, reptile, amphibian, or bird in the Devonian?

There's a huge problem. If you want to understand creation, then you can't use the evolutionary time table and the periods, like the devonian WITH the creation story and the flood.

The relative order of the sediment layers in the geologic column was established BEFORE any time tables were established. You also need to explain how fossils can be sorted so that they correlate with the isotope ratios of the rocks above and below that layer.


I get the point, and I know exactly what the fossil record should look like if life was created 6,000 years ago in a span of a week, and if there was a global flood 4,000 years ago. I understand all of it. The problem is that the evidence doesn't match up to those claims.
 
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In spite of evolutionists’ assumptions to the contrary, the fossil order can be explained in a creationist framework,

This entire thread demonstrates that they can't.

The ‘fountains of the great deep’ (Gen. 7:11) would logically have buried small seafloor creatures first.

The fossil record is not sorted by size or environment.

Water plants would generally be buried before coastal and mountain plants. Land creatures would be buried last, especially the mammals and birds that could escape to higher ground.

Then why do we have dinosaurs on top of dolphins?
 
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