Why are people so stubborn about the abortion issue?

[Poweranimals]

You'd think this would be simple, right? Abortion is murder. But others don't seem to see it that way. I'm having a creative discussion with someone on another forum about this topic and no one has sided with me.

I've brought up all the reasons why abortion is unethical but they keep insisting that it's up to the parents. I told them that their parents should've had their same insight. May seem a bit harsh but I was trying to make a point. The person got offended but still won't see my point. Obviously if that offended them, then aborting would've been a bad thing. Would it not?

Why are people so difficult?

 

[pgp_protector]

Murder is the Illegal killing of another person.
Abortion is not illegal therefore not Murder according to the US Laws.

Note: I didn't reply as to if it is or it's immoral, but if it is or isn't Murder.

 

[EazyMack]

Yeah, willingly ending a human life... not a good thing.

 

[70x7]

Murder is the Illegal killing of another person.
Abortion is not illegal therefore not Murder according to the US Laws.

Note: I didn't reply as to if it is or it's immoral, but if it is or isn't Murder.

No, murder is killing another person whether it is illegal or not.

Abortion is based off of convienience and not responsiblity. Its easier to cope when it is something that isnt physically seen.

 

[pgp_protector]

No, murder is killing another person whether it is illegal or not.

Abortion is based off of convienience and not responsiblity. Its easier to cope when it is something that isnt physically seen.

So God had people purposely break his 10 commandments when God sent them into War ?

 

[Lokke]

Murder is the Illegal killing of another person.
Abortion is not illegal therefore not Murder according to the US Laws.

Note: I didn't reply as to if it is or it's immoral, but if it is or isn't Murder.

no abortiion i s murder. i hear som people say that it is not murder when the baby is very small
inside the mother for 3month. this i s still murder.

 

[EazyMack]

The definition of "murder" is irrelevant to the topic, homies.

 

[Sketcher]

They want their casual sex without consequences that badly.

 

[NatalieJan777]

So God had people purposely break his 10 commandments when God sent them into War ?

One must understand the reasons for GOD sending the Isrealites to war. It was to remove those who rebel against HIM. And as you can note from the following scripture they couldn't have done any of it without GOD. HE did not want them worshipping other gods, and this is why he denied marraige to the women of these nations, because he knew that they would be tempted to worship these other gods. Unfortunately Isreal failed at doing the will of GOD.

Joshua 23:6-13
"Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or the left. Do not associate with these nations that remain among you; do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them. But you are to hold fast to the Lord your God, as you have until now.
The Lord has driven out before you great and powerful nations; to this day no one has been able to withstand you. One of you routs a thousand, because the Lord your God fights for you, just as he promised. So be very careful to love the Lord your God.
But if you turn away and ally yourselves with the survivors of these nations that remain among you and if you intermarry with them and associate with them, then you may be sure that the Lord your GOD will no longer drive out these nations before you. Instead, they will become snares and traps for you, whips on your back and thorns in you eyes, until you perish from this good land, which the Lord your God has given you.

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The bible says through the Holy Spirit to several people that they were created in the womb. Like many other things in our society, undoing what GOD's will is to me is unexceptable Christian behavior. I am not condoing what many Christians do in physically fighting and bombing abortion clinics. To me this is wrong. If we approached the issue out of love and not hate I believe we would see better results.

 

[iamjcs]

Go to below link & one can see even under 3 months a human body.
Pregnancy Stages - Week 12

 

[OldStudent]

I trust you are not trying to "convince" them of your "conviction." We are to WITNESS to what God has done for us and the discoveries His grace has brought to our understanding. To say it strongly, to try convince or bring conviction to another is the work of the Holy Spirit. Could it be that for us to try that is blaspheme - going where the HS belongs?

Isaiah 44:24. "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself."

It is amazing to realize that within women is God's workshop for the creation of new life of the highest form. What a privilege! How dare we kick His work out of His hands?! In know, there may be exceptions as in complications of pregnancy risking the mothers life so both perish. There may be some consideration of what to do with pregnancy from rape. On those I will not weigh in. But under lesser circumstances it would seem pretty plain that God should be allowed to complete His work - even at our inconvenience.

 

[pgp_protector]

One must understand the reasons for GOD sending the Isrealites to war. It was to remove those who rebel against HIM. And as you can note from the following scripture they couldn't have done any of it without GOD. HE did not want them worshipping other gods, and this is why he denied marraige to the women of these nations, because he knew that they would be tempted to worship these other gods. Unfortunately Isreal failed at doing the will of GOD.

Joshua 23:6-13
"Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or the left. Do not associate with these nations that remain among you; do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them. But you are to hold fast to the Lord your God, as you have until now.
The Lord has driven out before you great and powerful nations; to this day no one has been able to withstand you. One of you routs a thousand, because the Lord your God fights for you, just as he promised. So be very careful to love the Lord your God.
But if you turn away and ally yourselves with the survivors of these nations that remain among you and if you intermarry with them and associate with them, then you may be sure that the Lord your GOD will no longer drive out these nations before you. Instead, they will become snares and traps for you, whips on your back and thorns in you eyes, until you perish from this good land, which the Lord your God has given you.

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The bible says through the Holy Spirit to several people that they were created in the womb. Like many other things in our society, undoing what GOD's will is to me is unexceptable Christian behavior. I am not condoing what many Christians do in physically fighting and bombing abortion clinics. To me this is wrong. If we approached the issue out of love and not hate I believe we would see better results.

Please take a closer look at what I was replying to, I think you didn't understand it.
Given that what I was quoting was saying that ALL Killing no matter the reason was Murder. (This would even include Stoning according to 70X7's Posted Logic)

 

[kiwimac]

The Bible mentions abortion ONCE and mentions it as only being a civil crime with a relatively low fine. I really wish people would stop reading 3rd and 4th century Christian theology back into the text.

 

[NatalieJan777]

To say it strongly, to try convince or bring conviction to another is the work of the Holy Spirit. Could it be that for us to try that is blaspheme - going where the HS belongs?

I agree that this is the work of the Holy Spirit.

However, I also agree that we have a responsibility to GOD to bring the truth to light. And to speak up when confronted with a sin in others. I believe this because of scripture found in, Leviticus 19:17, 1 Samuel 2:12-36, Matthew 18:15.

Personally I pray a lot and find this avenue of resolve rather affective for those close to me.

It is like banging your head against a brick wall if you try to convict another of sin, we must rather exhort through the admonition of the Lord.

Exhort (37 Occurrences)

Admonition (8 Occurrences)

I also want to state that I do believe that many go out of their way to speak up where maybe they shouldn't, as well as place blame where it shouldn't be placed. The blame game in most instances only produces the will of Satan.

 

[OldStudent]

In my pervious post I missed your title question!

Try this. The human race is a broken race. A broken dishwasher has a number of ways it's broken: It leaks, the spraybars are plugged so it can't wash, the heater failed, it just won't turn on... People are like that. But people have the additional handicap of a devil helping the sabotage. But neither God nor the Devil can force a persons will.

Satan really has it in for women and children. Recall in Genesis 1 that God made us in His image - male AND female. There is a oneness in that image (Genesis 2:24; 5:1,2). A key part of that oneness is still to be seen in marriage and children coming into that setting. It is Satan's mindset to destroy God's work. Ripping up marriage, the context for children, ripping up women, degrading men and women to being without controls inate even to animals is where he gets a big bang for his buck.

All we can do is plead some wisdom with the likes of people you are working with and pray for God to lean on them. He may water the word we put with them.

 

[rosenherman]

No, murder is killing another person whether it is illegal or not.

Nope, murder is the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

 

[NatalieJan777]

Please take a closer look at what I was replying to, I think you didn't understand it.
Given that what I was quoting was saying that ALL Killing no matter the reason was Murder. (This would even include Stoning according to 70X7's Posted Logic)

Please forgive me. I am going to have to work on this one because when I click "quote" it doesn't bring up all the text of the OP and his quotation which can get rather confusing and I admit that I do get confused rather easily sometimes. I thank you for bringing that to my attention.

 

[pgp_protector]

Please forgive me. I am going to have to work on this one because when I click "quote" it doesn't bring up all the text of the OP and his quotation which can get rather confusing and I admit that I do get confused rather easily sometimes. I thank you for bringing that to my attention.

No prob, that's why in my First post I even put a disclaimer that I was only talking about the fact that it's not Legally Murder, not about it's morality.

 

[NatalieJan777]

Nope, murder is the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

This is exactly why GOD in the old testament had places set up for those accused of murder where they could go and not be judged until the appropriate time. Exodus 21:13 Even cursing your mother or father carried the sentence of death. We must remember that GOD will be the ultimate one to seek revenge on those who "willfully" kill's HIS creation.

Bible Dictionary: Murder

 

[SSSSMDS-RT]

Why are people so difficult?

Maybe because people have different opinions on the topic? Think about how passionately you feel about pro-life. There are many others out there who feel just as passionately or more about pro-choice. I'm sure they think you're "so difficult" as well. It's just a matter of differing opinion.