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On par with the bible, no (though just for reference I don't consider the bible "God breathed" either, rather divinely inspired). But I do believe the creed, particularly the Nicene and Apostles to be inspired by the Spirit as well and based on the bible itself.Do you view them as God breathed, on par with the Bible?
Written by a bunch of men
On par with the bible, no (though just for reference I don't consider the bible "God breathed" either, rather divinely inspired). But I do believe the creed, particularly the Nicene and Apostles to be inspired by the Spirit as well and based on the bible itself.
The thing about writing is that everything that's ever been written in the entire history of everything has been written by human beings. Short of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life out there in the cosmos and that they, too, developed writing as a form of communication, that's not going to change.
So that something is written by human beings is hardly much of a criticism, everything that's ever been written has been written by our species.
-CryptoLutheran
Your non-belief in the Bible being God-breathed is atypical for a Christian. Odd.
(Note: obviously there was a human scribe attached to things. But what I'm asking is, do you believe God was the author with a human scribe, or a human author).
I don't believe them to be on par with the bible, please re-read what I posted above. I said they were not on par. But that they were inspired by the spirit and based on the bible. Also my belief in the bible not being God-breathed but rather divinely inspired writings of men is not as unusual as you seem to believe.Your non-belief in the Bible being God-breathed is atypical for a Christian. Odd.
If you believe them to be on par with the Bible, have you stapled them into your Bible?
So, do you also believe the Bible to not be God-breathed?
(Note: obviously there was a human scribe attached to things. But what I'm asking is, do you believe God was the author with a human scribe, or a human author).
1 John 5:7,
And yet it wasn't the first or only passage I referenced......and the long string of mainline Christians having to resort to the Johanine Comma continues...
Seriously: this is one of the most suspect and most controversial passages in the Bible, yet it's #1 whenever people need to defend the three-in-one concept.
What is this wrath that you speak of? Wrath is a pretty strong wordThis, however, goes back to the question I asked earlier:
"If the Creeds are not being elevated to the level of Biblical canon, then why is so much wrath reserved for those who reject them even if they hold to everything else Christianity holds to?"
Is this more of your made up stuff? You're a little short of specifics here. Who are the "those"? It certainly can't include the lds, because the lds definitely do not "hold to everything else Christianity holds to".This, however, goes back to the question I asked earlier:
"If the Creeds are not being elevated to the level of Biblical canon, then why is so much wrath reserved for those who reject them even if they hold to everything else Christianity holds to?"
What is this wrath that you speak of? Wrath is a pretty strong word
Who has been telling you that? Many Christian faith groups don't expressly hold to the creeds but are generally considered part of the Christian family of faiths by creedal Christians. Most obvious example being groups like the Southern Baptists who don't express the creeds but are none the less Christian. To be fair they may not express the Creeds, but their beliefs express most of (or all of) both of the two major creeds (depending on translation).It's been made clear to us in the past that the minute we say we don't treat the creeds like scripture we're heretics who deserve to die.
Yes folks, I've had far too many "Good Christians" presume that their "saved" status gives them the right to treat me like garbage.
Who has been telling you that? Many Christian faith groups don't expressly hold to the creeds but are generally considered part of the Christian family of faiths by creedal Christians. Most obvious example being groups like the Southern Baptists who don't express the creeds but are none the less Christian. To be fair they may not express the Creeds, but their beliefs express most of (or all of) both of the two major creeds (depending on translation).
Now if you're referring to Christians who don't hold Mormons to be Christian (such as this site's view on that issue) it's not necessarily because you don't profess the creeds themselves, but rather than Mormons don't believe in the basic beliefs behind the creeds (and as mentioned those creeds contain the oft considered general basics of Christian belief). So to not believe them is to not believe in Christianity would be the argument.
Either way, we have "Good Christians" who say that we all need to be put to the sword simply for being LDS.
Now if you're referring to Christians who don't hold Mormons to be Christian (such as this site's view on that issue) it's not necessarily because you don't profess the creeds themselves, but rather than Mormons don't believe in the basic beliefs behind the creeds (and as mentioned those creeds contain the oft considered general basics of Christian belief). So to not believe them is to not believe in Christianity would be the argument.
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