Whose fault is it?

[Wonder]

If God opens our hearts and minds to acknowledge Him, then turns us over to Christ, to learn etc.. If we die without Him calling us, did we die in our sins? He is the one that has us think the way we do, soften or harden our hearts. Will one lose salvation because they saw death before they were called?

I guess I need to see if people think that our God would leave us in our graves...would He forsake us?

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by Wonder
If God opens our hearts and minds to acknowledge Him, then turns us over to Christ, to learn etc.. If we die without Him calling us, did we die in our sins? He is the one that has us think the way we do, soften or harden our hearts. Will one lose salvation because they saw death before they were called?

I guess I need to see if people think that our God would leave us in our graves...would He forsake us?

Hey Wonder!

I'm a little confused by your question.  Can you reword it?

Thanks,

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Wonder-

God doesnt play us like puppets. If we go to Hell, it is because we don't want to be with God for eternity. God calls everyone, but not everyone responds to the call. The call is not mind control, its a gentle invitation.

 

[Wonder]

Ok, say there is a 16 yr old male....dads dies leaving him to help bring up the rest of the family ...and say there is 3 other kids all younger than He....The boy goes to work and school and sleeps and that about it....He does this until the other children are almost adults...then is hit by a car and dies...never being called by God nor having time seek God....does God leave him in the grave since he died without being saved.
Best I can do at rephrasing.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Wonder
Ok, say there is a 16 yr old male....dads dies leaving him to help bring up the rest of the family ...and say there is 3 other kids all younger than He....The boy goes to work and school and sleeps and that about it....He does this until the other children are almost adults...then is hit by a car and dies...never being called by God nor having time seek God....does God leave him in the grave since he died without being saved.
Best I can do at rephrasing.

You arent saved at one point in your life, Wonder. Salvation is a process and you are judged on how you live your life.

I would also argue that this person is doing God's work by providing for His brothers/sisters in such a selfless manner.

God is merciful, He isn't an accountant.

 

[ZiSunka]

Originally posted by Wonder
Ok, say there is a 16 yr old male....dads dies leaving him to help bring up the rest of the family ...and say there is 3 other kids all younger than He....The boy goes to work and school and sleeps and that about it....He does this until the other children are almost adults...then is hit by a car and dies...never being called by God nor having time seek God....does God leave him in the grave since he died without being saved.
Best I can do at rephrasing.

There's no such thing as "not having enough time to seek God." God seeks us, and we have only to accept or reject.

We do not chase God down and ask Him to "call" us.

Salvation is the result of a relationship with God, not because of some great act of seeking that we do.

The Bible puts it this way, "When the love of God appeared through Christ, He saved us, not because of the great things we had done, but because of His mercy." Titus 3:4-5. Salvation does not depend on us being called to something, it is a response of our hearts toward the Love of God.

If your 16 year old in the example used the excuse that he couldn't find God because he was too busy doing the good work of raising his siblings, he is a liar. God can be found everywhere, by everyone, under every circumstance. Probably even more under such trying circumstances that he went through. Salvation is the result of seeing God in your life and accepting his offer of love and relationship.

To say that he couldn't find God is like saying that he didn't have time to find his mother or the children!

 

[Wonder]

In everyday life people claim that because of the stress of life they cannot and donot have time to first seek the Kingdom of God. They are not given time by work, school, or maybe family.
I believe God reached out to all these people by sending them a Savior. Salvation is a gift from Him that we all possess.
I can surly understand people who by circumstances of life cannot seek the Kindom. And that God doesn't speak to all men as He to those who do have the time and heart to search Him out. They are not condemned nor forsaken.
"If your 16 year old in the example used the excuse that he couldn't find God because he was too busy doing the good work of raising his siblings, he is a liar."
Why would He even want anything to do with God, when in his eyes God just took his dad He wouldn't be seeking God so how can he see Him everywhere? If one sees Him everywhere...then one is looking. I guess this would leave you to condemn him. Giving me more reason to thank God that He is my Judge.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by Wonder
Ok, say there is a 16 yr old male....dads dies leaving him to help bring up the rest of the family ...and say there is 3 other kids all younger than He....The boy goes to work and school and sleeps and that about it....He does this until the other children are almost adults...then is hit by a car and dies...never being called by God nor having time seek God....does God leave him in the grave since he died without being saved.
Best I can do at rephrasing.

How do you know he wasn't saved?

 

[Wonder]

for the sake of arguement, and him just being an example, he was "unsaved"
I made him up, I say he was unsaved )

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by Wonder
for the sake of arguement, and him just being an example, he was "unsaved"
I made him up, I say he was unsaved )

What I'm asking is, to answer this properly, we'd have to determine how you came to the conclusion that he isn't saved.  Because if all you are asking is if at no point in his life did God save him will he go to hell my answer would be yes.  As terrible as it is to think of someone going to hell, we don't do something to get saved.  We do things because we are saved.  I think that Christians too often make their own determinations as to whether someone is saved based on what they see that person do.  Obviously our salvation should be displayed in our works.  But it is impossible to determine someone's salvation as we have no clue as to their motivations.  If the boy in your story never did anything because of his faith in God then that would make me believe that he was not saved.  All people, saved and unsaved, have morals.  However, what we consider morally pleasing isn't necessarily what pleases God.  So, if the boy had no faith in God I'd say it's because he was not saved and therefore went to hell.

God bless

 

[Wonder]

Ok, I think I see my answers....and I'm not real happy but very thankful that people aren't the final judge. That my Father would reach into hell to retrieve me, and I would reach into hell to retrieve anyone ...if we all would, no one would be ever be there....I thank everyone who answered my question. Whatever you do....do it with your whole heart.