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the Narrow way...the truth, out of the mouth of 2-3 witnesses, in context, according to the law of hermeneutics [ used for the last 8-900 years ]
...........let's ignore sin...ignore consequences...ignore sound doctrine....let's all pretend all is well, don't worry be happy ....?
Mormons & Jehovah's witnesses preach the wrong Jesus
Baptists or Baptisms....kind of hard to dip folks when romans killing them
Universalists are a heresy...denying the cross , salvation , and eternal judgement
Catholics ...Protestants ....Messianic Jews...all who believe in faith, hope, love, Jesus crucified and risen, who agree on the Nicean Creed ...ad 400
or should we flush 2000 years of dialogue and hard won wisdom to go off on a bunny trail ...?
or should we flush 2000 years of dialogue and hard won wisdom to go off on a bunny trail ...?
the Narrow way...the truth, out of the mouth of 2-3 witnesses, in context, according to the law of hermeneutics [ used for the last 8-900 years ]
...........let's ignore sin...ignore consequences...ignore sound doctrine....let's all pretend all is well, don't worry be happy ....?
Mormons & Jehovah's witnesses preach the wrong Jesus
Baptists or Baptisms....kind of hard to dip folks when romans killing them
Universalists are a heresy...denying the cross , salvation , and eternal judgement
Catholics ...Protestants ....Messianic Jews...all who believe in faith, hope, love, Jesus crucified and risen, who agree on the Nicean Creed ...ad 400
or should we flush 2000 years of dialogue and hard won wisdom to go off on a bunny trail ...?
You have everyone, and God, in a nice little box.
I'm a UR and I totally believe in the power of the cross and the sacrifice of Christ for sin. I believe in salvation, and that no-one comes to the Father but through Christ. I believe in eternal (not endless.. different Greek words) judgment... just not the kind of judgement I assume you think it is.
Should I place you in a box too? Where would I place you?... fundamentalist?
If so, then fundamentalists do not believe in the absolute power of the cross for salvation, they believe in the angry God of the Old Testament, and horror of horrors, believe that God is a monster who torments people endlessly... absolute blasphemy!
Twenty eight (28) passages, in order as they occur in the Bible, Jesus speaking on eternal punishment of the wicked.You have everyone, and God, in a nice little box.
I'm a UR and I totally believe in the power of the cross and the sacrifice of Christ for sin. I believe in salvation, and that no-one comes to the Father but through Christ. I believe in eternal (not endless.. different Greek words) judgment... just not the kind of judgement I assume you think it is.
Should I place you in a box too? Where would I place you?... fundamentalist?
If so, then fundamentalists do not believe in the absolute power of the cross for salvation, they believe in the angry God of the Old Testament, and horror of horrors, believe that God is a monster who torments people endlessly... absolute blasphemy!
I do not care if eternal punishment is written 2,000 times it is all base on two Greek words and one Hebrew to which these words were mistranslate to mean eternal, everlasting and for ever and ever by bias religious translators.
A careful study of the Greek word “aionios” (translated as “eternal,” “everlasting,” and “forever and ever” in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun “aion” which always means “an indeterminate period of time.” It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate “aionios” from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. God’s punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL God’s purpose for it is complete.
Eternal, eternity, etc. is not actually found in Scripture though in some aspects applied through inference of propositions. The problem is that the Greek words which were translated to "eternal" actually do not translate properly in English because there is no word in English which translates it properly. In this case, the word is "AIONIOS" and it is a descriptive adjective which just means "of, or in, or belonging to, or coming from, or resmbling, or befitting the AION.
AION is a noun meaning, "A period of time, or perpetuity of time, or definitive age, or unbroken age." It simply means an age with unknown measure which can be indefinitive or definitive.
So literally the word "AIONIOS" being translated as "Eternal" would more accurately be defined as "agely"; however since "agely" is not a real word, that leaves the English language without a literal translation for the word "AIONIOS".
So anytime you saw Jesus say "Eternal" this and "Eternal" that, he didn't say "perpetuality of time" but rather an indeterminate duration that is neither perpetual or definifitive.
Forget about what the preachers love to burn people up; what does the Bible say reference this word? Gehenna: They missed one little fact: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem; a place of constant burning of refuge, dead bodies, human flesh (not the people). Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of Gods people. How precious is this a type of purification outside of Gods holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified by Gods holy judgment. Notice there is nothing mentioned about the heathen, the sinners (unless you are a brother) heathen, unjust; instead the verses address brother.
First of all I am not concerned about the Jews and their traditions and beliefs on Gehenna; how many times did Jesus condemn the Jews for their traditions. My point to you about Gehenna is did these verses addressing heathen, pagan, unbelievers; in fact the only one they addressed was our brother.
So much that is taught in religion today is from tradition and not revelation; there is a pattern in the Bible when it comes to the word tradition; it is not spoken of in a positive light. Religious man is so caught up with the traditions and creeds and dogmas there is no room for divine truth. It is like a vessel full of old wine; there is no room for the new wine of the spirit.
Matthew 15:2
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mark 7:3
For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mark 7:5
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Galatians 1:14
And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
Twenty eight (28) passages, in order as they occur in the Bible, Jesus speaking on eternal punishment of the wicked.......
First of all I am not concerned about the Jews and their traditions and beliefs on Gehenna; how many times did Jesus condemn the Jews for their traditions. My point to you about Gehenna is did these verses addressing heathen, pagan, unbelievers; in fact the only one they addressed was our brother.
So much that is taught in religion today is from tradition and not revelation; there is a pattern in the Bible when it comes to the word tradition; it is not spoken of in a positive light. Religious man is so caught up with the traditions and creeds and dogmas there is no room for divine truth. It is like a vessel full of old wine; there is no room for the new wine of the spirit. [ . . . ]
I do not care if eternal punishment is written 2,000 times it is all base on two Greek words and one Hebrew to which these words were mistranslate to mean eternal, everlasting and for ever and ever by bias religious translators.
A careful study of the Greek word aionios (translated as eternal, everlasting, and forever and ever in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun aion which always means an indeterminate period of time. It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate aionios from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. Gods punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL Gods purpose for it is complete.
Eternal, eternity, etc. is not actually found in Scripture though in some aspects applied through inference of propositions. The problem is that the Greek words which were translated to "eternal" actually do not translate properly in English because there is no word in English which translates it properly. In this case, the word is "AIONIOS" and it is a descriptive adjective which just means "of, or in, or belonging to, or coming from, or resmbling, or befitting the AION.
AION is a noun meaning, "A period of time, or perpetuity of time, or definitive age, or unbroken age." It simply means an age with unknown measure which can be indefinitive or definitive.
So literally the word "AIONIOS" being translated as "Eternal" would more accurately be defined as "agely"; however since "agely" is not a real word, that leaves the English language without a literal translation for the word "AIONIOS".
So anytime you saw Jesus say "Eternal" this and "Eternal" that, he didn't say "perpetuality of time" but rather an indeterminate duration that is neither perpetual or definifitive.
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