Who will NOT be saved?

[edpobre]

Friends,

The following will NOT be saved:

1) Those who do NOT do the WILL of the Father in heaven will NOT enter the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 7:21);

2) Those who do NOT enter the FOLD where Jesus is the door wiil NOT be saved (John 10:9,7);

3) Those who are NOT translated into the "kingdom of God's Son" will NOT be REDEEMED through Christ's blood and will NOT be saved because their sins are NOT forgiven (Col. 1:13-114);

4) Those who do NOT believe Jesus shall NOT see life (John 3:36) because thay are CONDEMNED already  (John 3:18);

5) Those who are NOT baptized (into the CHURCH that Christ PURCHASED with his own blood - Acts 20:28) will NOT be saved (Mark 16:15-16) because they are NOT reconciled to God in the one BODY (Eph. 2:16);

6) Those who do NOT know the ONLY true God and do NOT obey the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ will NOT  be saved (John 17:3; 2 Thess. 1:8-9);

7) Those who do NOT abide in the DOCTRINE of Christ will NOT be saved because they do NOT have God (2 John 1:9);

8) Those who say to Jesus 'Lord, Lord' but do NOT do the things which he says will NOT be saved (Luke 6:46) because Jesus will say to them on that day, "I NEVER knew you; DEPART from me, you who PRACTICE lawlessness (Matt. 7:23);

9) Those who HATE their BROTHERS in the faith will NOT be saved because LIFE does NOT abide in them (1 John 3:15);

10) Those who PRACTICE: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissentions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries and the like will NOT enter the kingdom of heaven (Gal. 5:19-21);

11) Those who do NOT endure UNTIL the END will NOT be saved (Matt. 24:13).

Ed

 

[Brian45]

Please exuse my ignorance , but saved or not saved from what  ?

 

[edpobre]

Originally posted by Brian45
Please exuse my ignorance , but saved or not saved from what  ?

Apostle Paul tells us that having been JUSTIFIED by Christ's blood, we shall be SAVED from WRATH through him. For if when we were enemies we were RECONCILED to God through the death of His son, much moire, having been RECONCILED, we shall be SAVED by his life (Romans 5:9-10).

Thus, in response to your question, we shall be SAVED fom the WRATH of God - being thrown into the Lake of fire (Rev. 20:15).

Ed

 

[Brian45]

Originally posted by edpobre
Apostle Paul tells us that having been JUSTIFIED by Christ's blood, we shall be SAVED from WRATH through him. For if when we were enemies we were RECONCILED to God through the death of His son, much moire, having been RECONCILED, we shall be SAVED by his life (Romans 5:9-10).

Thus, in response to your question, we shall be SAVED fom the WRATH of God - being thrown into the Lake of fire (Rev. 20:15).

Ed

 

Thank you .

 

[paulewog]

/me thinks that anyone that does the opposite of Acts 16:31 won't be saved.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved (and thy house)."

 

[edpobre]

Originally posted by paulewog
/me thinks that anyone that does the opposite of Acts 16:31 won't be saved.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved (and thy house)."

What does "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" mean? Is it believing alone that he died on the cross for sinners? Is it accepting Jesus alone as personal Lord and Savior?

If you continue reading from Acts 16:32, you will SEE that apostle Paul did NOT simply ask the jail guard and his household if they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Apostle Paul SPOKE to them "the word of the Lord" (verse 32). What is the "word of the Lord" Paulewog? It's the "gospel" of the Lord Jesus Christ. This "gospel" includes everything that has been itemized in my leaad post.

Then, if you continue to verse 33, you will further SEE that jail guard and ALL his household were BAPTIZED and only then can we SEE that they BELIEVED in God (verse 34).

Ed

 

[Gunny]

Originally posted by edpobre
Friends,

The following will NOT be saved:

5) Those who are NOT baptized (into the CHURCH that Christ PURCHASED with his own blood - Acts 20:28) will NOT be saved (Mark 16:15-16) because they are NOT reconciled to God in the one BODY (Eph. 2:16);

Ed, you a self proclaiming member of Iglesia ni Cristo, founded by Felix Manalo. Iglesia ni Cristo states they are the Only True Church. When reading Iglesia ni Christo doctrinal statements one realizes that the CHURCH(Iglesia ni Cristo) believes one can not be saved unless they are a member and follows it's doctrinal statments mandated by the ADMINISTRATION(man).

 

[edpobre]

Originally posted by gunnysgt
Ed, you a self proclaiming member of Iglesia ni Cristo, founded by Felix Manalo. Iglesia ni Cristo states they are the Only True Church. When reading Iglesia ni Christo doctrinal statements one realizes that the CHURCH(Iglesia ni Cristo) believes one can not be saved unless they are a member and follows it's doctrinal statments mandated by the ADMINISTRATION(man).

The doctrinal statement that one CANNOT be saved unless one BECOMES a member of the CHURCH that Christ BUILT (Matt. 16:18), the CHURCH that Christ PURCHASED with his own blood (Acts 20:28 Lamsa), the CHURCH that Christ will SAVE (Eph. 5:23), is a doctrine that comes from God (John 7:16).

Jesus SAID that anyone who ENTERS (the flock or church) by him shall be saved (John 10:9,7).

The NAME of that CHURCH during the time of Jesus and the apostles is "CHURCH OF CHRIST" (Acts 20:28 Lamsa; Romans 16:16) in the Hebrew or Greeek language. And in these last days, the NAME of that CHURCH is IGLESIA NI CRISTO in the Pilipino language because it is in the Philippines where this TRUE "Church of Christ" RE-EMERGED.

As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.

Ed

 

 

[Gunny]

Originally posted by edpobre


As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.

Ed

INC Administration states that their doctrinal statements are mandated by God? INC was founded my a man, Felix Manalo. Felix Manalo, believes he is a messenger of God, prophecied in scripture/God's Word.

 

[edpobre]

Originally posted by gunnysgt

Originally posted by edpobre
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As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.

Ed

</B><B></B>INC Administration states that their doctrinal statements are mandated by God? INC was founded my a man, Felix Manalo. Felix Manalo, believes he is a messenger of God, prophecied in scripture/God's Word.

gunnysgt,

Jesus said his doctrine is NOT his but HIM&nbsp;who SENT (doesn't this mean a messenger?) him (John&nbsp;7:16).&nbsp; Jesus said he is a MAN (John 8:40). Jesus BUILT what he called "MY church" (Matt. 16:18) and the NAME of HIS church is "Church of Christ" (Acts 20:28 Lamsa).&nbsp; Jesus said he&nbsp; was SENT by God (John 17:3; John 3:16; John 8:42).

Like Jesus, Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT that he was SENT by God and BACKED UP his belief by prophecies recorded in the Bible like what Jesus did. Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT doctrines from God like what Jesus did.&nbsp;

Bro, Felix Manalo registered the CHURCH that he started in the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ - NOT in his name. What's wrong about this?

Ed

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[Gunny]

Originally posted by edpobre
Like Jesus, Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT that he was SENT by God and BACKED UP his belief by prophecies recorded in the Bible like what Jesus did. Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT doctrines from God like what Jesus did.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
because it is in the Philippines where this TRUE "Church of Christ" RE-EMERGED.
As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.
Ed

Iglesia ni Cristo's form of Salvation


Gospel of Iglesia ni Cristo

 

[Parnelli]

What a load of garbage. Anyone who pretends to know who's saved and who's not - is very mistaken.

 

[Gunny]

Originally posted by Parnelli
What a load of garbage. Anyone who pretends to know who's saved and who's not - is very mistaken.

God's Word(Holy Bible) is quite clear regarding the doctrine of Salvation.

Might I suggest you began reading the Gospel of John to glean the truth of Salvation.

Please note that Unorthodox Theological Doctrines forum is for posting by individuals that profess that they are Christians(Orthodox & Unorthodox), Only.

I state this only for it appears you are new to ChristianForum and your profile gives no distinction if you profess to be a Christian(Orthodox & Unorthodox).

 

[edpobre]

Originally posted by gunnysgt
Iglesia ni Cristo's form of Salvation


Gospel of Iglesia ni Cristo

"My dear friends,

do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere.

This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ CAME as a HUMAN BEING has the Spirit who comes from God. But anyone who DENIES this about Jesus does NOT have the Spirit of God. The spirit that he has is the&nbsp;ENEMY of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already" (1 John 4:1-3 Today's English Version).

Trinitarians DENY that Jesus Christ CAME as a&nbsp; HUMAN being. They TEACH that Jesus Christ CAME as God who BECAME a MAN.

Do Trinitarians have the Spirit of God? The Bible says NO! Those who PERSECUTE the Iglesia Ni Cristo are TRINITARIANS. Should you believe them? The Bible says NO!

Ed



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[Gunny]

Originally posted by edpobre
"My dear friends,

do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
Like Jesus, Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT that he was SENT by God and BACKED UP his belief by prophecies recorded in the Bible like what Jesus did. Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT doctrines from God like what Jesus did.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
because it is in the Philippines where this TRUE "Church of Christ" RE-EMERGED.
As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
Like Jesus, Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT that he was SENT by God and BACKED UP his belief by prophecies recorded in the Bible like what Jesus did. Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT doctrines from God like what Jesus did.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
because it is in the Philippines where this TRUE "Church of Christ" RE-EMERGED.
As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
The IGLESIA NI CRISTO is the TRUE church of Christ in these last days.
Thus, ONLY members of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO&nbsp;WILL be saved!



That's TRUE! The work of Christ on the cross is NOT sufficient in of itself for salvation
One must ENTER the FOLD or FLOCK in order to be SAVED. That fold or flock is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, the TRUE church of Christ in these last days.

The IGLESIA NI CRISTO is the&nbsp;TRUE&nbsp;church of Christ in these last days. It has been GIVEN to them to KNOW The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven THROUGH a MESSENGER commissioned by God THROUGH Bible PROPHECIES.
Ed&nbsp;
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Alpha and Omega


The Trinity: The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit


Is the Creedal Doctrine of Trinity Biblical


A brief declaration and vindication of the Trinity


The following links provide information regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, it's founder, their doctrine, who they state Jesus is?, what Salvation is according to their man-made doctrinal beliefs, the control they adminster to it's members, their deceptive practices, and the claims of the founder, Felix Manalo and his belief that he is spoken of in scripture as a messenger of God/The 5th angel.

There is a considerable amount of data that has been gathered on Iglesia ni Cristo, much of it from their own publications and former members.

I believe it is well worth the time reading over the information regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, indeed.

Examine Iglesia ni Cristi

http://members.tripod.com/insiders_inc/

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/i00.html

http://www.letusreason.org/igleidir.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~janchung/table_of_contents.html

http://members.tripod.com/~janchung/false_messenger.html

http://members.tripod.com/xcrusaders/angeleast.html

http://www.adeptsys.com/chrysalis/Pages/info/iglesia.html

http://www.nossumus.net/iglesyanikristo/lesson11.html

http://www.examineiglesianicristo.com/honesty4.html

http://thebereans.net/qa-realname.shtml

 

[Force]

Originally posted by edpobre
Trinitarians DENY that Jesus Christ CAME as a&nbsp; HUMAN being. They TEACH that Jesus Christ CAME as God who BECAME a MAN.

Do Trinitarians have the Spirit of God? The Bible says NO! Those who PERSECUTE the Iglesia Ni Cristo are TRINITARIANS. Should you believe them? The Bible says NO!

Ed&nbsp;&nbsp;

Are you saying all people that believe in the Trinity dont believe in Jesus coming to earth?!

How&nbsp;dumb is that....its very clear that the Trinity is in the bible...and I also believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins...I believe in God the Father and I also believe in the Holy Spirit...So whats the problem here?&nbsp; Obviously there are people that believe in both so what your saying is not true...

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[edpobre]

Originally posted by Force

Trinitarians DENY that Jesus Christ CAME as a&nbsp; HUMAN being. They TEACH that Jesus Christ CAME as God who BECAME a MAN.

Do Trinitarians have the Spirit of God? The Bible says NO! Those who PERSECUTE the Iglesia Ni Cristo are TRINITARIANS. Should you believe them? The Bible says NO!

Ed&nbsp;

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Are you saying all people that believe in the Trinity dont believe in Jesus coming to earth?!

How&nbsp;dumb is that....its very clear that the Trinity is in the bible...and I also believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins...I believe in God the Father and I also believe in the Holy Spirit...So whats the problem here?&nbsp; Obviously there are people that believe in both so what your saying is not true...

Is that what you UNDERSTAND by what I am saying?&nbsp; That's NOT what I'm saying Force.

At this time, I don't care whether you believe in God or in the Holy Spirit. The point of contention is whether Jesus CAME as a HUMAN being or whether Jesus CAME as God who BECAME a MAN.

Trinitarians have a problem Force - NOT I.The Bible teaches that anyone who does NOT confess that Jesus CAME as a HUMAN being does NOT have the SPIRIT of God. What he HAS is the spirit of the ENEMY of God (1 John 4:2-3).

So, what do you BELIEVE my Trinitarian friend? What's your stand on this issue? Don't Trinitarians AGREE on whether Jesus CAME as HUMAN being, as God or as God AND human being?

Ed

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[Force]

Originally posted by edpobre
Is that what you UNDERSTAND by what I am saying?&nbsp; That's NOT what I'm saying Force.

At this time, I don't care whether you believe in God or in the Holy Spirit. The point of contention is whether Jesus CAME as a HUMAN being or whether Jesus CAME as God who BECAME a MAN.

Trinitarians have a problem Force - NOT I.The Bible teaches that anyone who does NOT confess that Jesus CAME as a HUMAN being does NOT have the SPIRIT of God. What he HAS is the spirit of the ENEMY of God (1 John 4:2-3).

So, what do you BELIEVE my Trinitarian friend? What's your stand on this issue? Don't Trinitarians AGREE on whether Jesus CAME as HUMAN being, as God or as God AND human being?

Ed&nbsp;&nbsp; [/B]

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No Jesus came as a man. Otherwise if he didn't have the human desires than what would have been the big deal to have lived the way he lived. And his death would have been one where he could have called angels and they would have come, but he was man. I guess you could say he was God and Man, because he could have called upon 10,000 angels to rescue him but he didn't. He still had the authority too, but he chose to be like man. Does that make sense?

 

[edpobre]

Originally posted by Force
No Jesus came as a man. Otherwise if he didn't have the human desires than what would have been the big deal to have lived the way he lived. And his death would have been one where he could have called angels and they would have come, but he was man.

I'm glad you AGREE to the TRUTH that Jesus CAME as a MAN or HUMAN being (1 John 4:2-3). Otherwise (i.e., if Jesus were God), he would NOT have died because God is IMMORTAL and the Jews could NOT have nailed him to the cross because God is INVISIBLE or CANNOT be seen (1 Tim. 1:17; 6:16).

I guess you could say he was God and Man, because he could have called upon 10,000 angels to rescue him but he didn't. He still had the authority too, but he chose to be like man. Does that make sense?

If you truly believe that Jesus CAME as a MAN, and he REMAINED a MAN, how could you say "he was God and man?"&nbsp; The AUTHORITY that Jesus had was GIVEN to him (Matthew 28:18). Thus, it is CLEAR that someone HIGHER or GREATER than Jesus GAVE him the authority.

Apostle Peter SAID that the MAN Jesus was attested to by God by miracles, wonders and signs which He DID through him (Acts 2:22). Thus, the miracles that Jesus PERFORMED were actually DONE by God THROUGH Jesus.

God MADE Jesus "both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36). God EXALTED Jesus to be Prince and savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins (Acts 5:31). God GAVE Jesus a name which is above every name (Phil. 2:9).God MADE Jesus high priest (Hebrews 5:5-6). God MADE Jesus the ONLY mediator between God and men (1 Tim. 2:5).

Inspite of all these powers, the TRUTH remains: Jesus is a MAN and the Father is the ONLY true God.

Ed

 

[parousia70]

Originally posted by edpobre
Those who do NOT endure UNTIL the END will NOT be saved (Matt. 24:13).

Ed

So Ed, All the Christians who have died already over the last 20 centuries will not be saved?

or are they still "Enduring"?

Are those who have died in Christ before us still "Holding fast to what they have till he comes, so that no one may take their crown"? (REV 3:11, 2:25)

After a Christian Dies, is he in danger of losing his crown if he dosen't continue to "Hold fast" to it??

As you pointed out, only those who "endure to the end" will be saved, and only those who "Hold fast till he comes" will be saved.

It dosen't say "Endure till he dies" but "endure till the end", it dosen't say "Hold fast till you die" but "hold fast till He comes"

Isn't your theology saying that those who have already died have failed to "hold fast till he comes" and "endure to the end'?